BHO's waffling explained. WTF?

[JC5123]

I hate to say it, but Obummer is right this time.
If you take both sides of a position you are quite likely to wind up on the winning side.   
It's how the Irish have won every war they participated in.  

FQ again glories in his college indoctrinated ignorance.
First off, since he is to young to remember I will explain to him that the reason the Shah of Iran was overthrown was because jimmy carter did NOT give him any support. The fall of the Shah was an entirely preventable FP disaster that could have been staved off long enough to groom another pro western leader to replace him on his death.

As to the wrestling thing, Pathfinder and the rest of you have to cut him some slack.
A person who only has "strong opinions but is willing to listen to others" will never be able to comprehend the concept of "Principles", where a person says "This is where I stand and if you don't like it that is just to damn bad".
This lack of comprehension is why he is usually wrong in his opinions about Muslims and the war on terror.
People like FQ do not have idea, or philosophy for which they are willing to kill or die.
I pity them.

I have to disagree with you here, and it appears that you disagree with yourself in your own post. This thread is about leadership, and you cannot have true leadership without principle. As a leader you can't have it both ways, and especially in todays society, the sheep NEED a real leader. Most have been dumbed down to the point they have no self direction. Even throughout most of history the majority of people are not self starters. People may line up behind an idea, but most have never had the principles to draw that line in the sand. To say this is how far you go, and no farther. 

Sadly todays society is even worse, and sadly the feminist movement has been a major factor in the degredation of "real" men. We are taught now that we must be sensitive and not show aggression. We have to be open and inclusive, and don't dare call a spade a spade. You might offend someone. Too f$%^ing bad. I applaud the kid for having the balls to stand by his beliefs.

As for taking both sides, you may come out on the winning side, but you lose all respect in the process.

[fightingquaker13]

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A person who only has "strong opinions but is willing to listen to others" will never be able to comprehend the concept of "Principles", where a person says "This is where I stand and if you don't like it that is just to damn bad".
This lack of comprehension is why he is usually wrong in his opinions about Muslims and the war on terror.
People like FQ do not have idea, or philosophy for which they are willing to kill or die.
I pity them.

On this point my friend, you would be dead wrong. Literally. No joke, I am open and tolerant to a fault. However, that is because I believe in a set of rules and values that says this is good idea for a reason. Its all about classical liberalism. Locke, Jefferson, Smith, Mill and Hayek. Tolerance isn't just something we practice for its own sake (like the idiot lefties pretend to do when its convienant), its something we believe in because the alternative is far worse. Seriously Tom, my basic philosophy can be found in the Declaration, the Bill of Rights, or if you want it on a bumper sticker, the Gadsen Flag. Point being, I want to live in a society where we all say "I believe X, but you are free to prove me wrong". What I WILL kill or die over is someone saying "You will believe Y and if you question Y you will be dealt with". Those people, whether on the left or right I have serious and potentially lethal issues with. Don't ever think that someone who tolerates dissent will peacefully allow tyranny to change the basic rules of the game. It might be a fatal mistake. Just ask King George III.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

We REALLY need a sarcasm smilie.
JC, you are forgetting the major factor, we are talking about politicians, they don't care if you respect them, just so long as you vote for them.

As for the rest of your post. majority will never understand the thing shared by the Troops at Valley forge, Soviet dissidents, and Muslim fanatics. They don't have "opinions", they had principles, beliefs, and they all shared one ultimate truth, We can be beaten, tortured, humiliated, our possessions seized, our relatives tortured and killed our country devastated by warfare, but in the final analysis a man of principle can never be defeated. He can be killed, but he can never be bent to the will of others unless he allows it.
The soft minded will never understand that.