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fightingquaker13

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Re: Pistols with a shot at replacing the M9
« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2011, 11:11:46 AM »
Since S&W, Glock, SIG, HK, Beretta, and Taurus have all expressed a desire to compete in previous and current service pistol competitions over the last 7 years, and all make polymer pistols, looks like it's not an issue to them anymore, if it ever was.
I can't imagine it would have been. I mean they would get royalties from all those other producers., In the highly unlikely event that Uncle Sam actually needs more pistols than Gaston (or whomever) can make, they will be at full capacity, and so every one made by someone else is like free money to them.
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Re: Pistols with a shot at replacing the M9
« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2011, 12:56:49 PM »
I can't imagine it would have been. I mean they would get royalties from all those other producers., In the highly unlikely event that Uncle Sam actually needs more pistols than Gaston (or whomever) can make, they will be at full capacity, and so every one made by someone else is like free money to them.
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That is not how it has worked.
I don't know about the M-9 but all other US Military weapons have been Govt owned so the Gov could just assign manufacturing to who ever with out regard to patent rights.
That's how everyone and their brother can build 1911's and AR's, the patents are either publicly held or expired.

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Re: Pistols with a shot at replacing the M9
« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2011, 01:09:30 PM »
That is not how it has worked.
I don't know about the M-9 but all other US Military weapons have been Govt owned so the Gov could just assign manufacturing to who ever with out regard to patent rights.
That's how everyone and their brother can build 1911's and AR's, the patents are either publicly held or expired.
And hey, you learn something new everyday. I thought manufacturers sold X number of their products and allowed them to be licensed if required. I didn't realize they sold the patent itself.
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Re: Pistols with a shot at replacing the M9
« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2011, 01:11:21 PM »
For example, the govt had FN make M16A2s for them. I was issued and FN made M16A2 in '94... it was made by FN USA in South Carolina.

Back in the 70s, Brazil contracted w Beretta for the M92 pistol. When the contract expired, Brazil sold the Beretta built plant to Taurus, who sold the guns as the PT92/99. Or sumthin' like that...

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Re: Pistols with a shot at replacing the M9
« Reply #54 on: November 29, 2011, 09:26:25 PM »
That is not how it has worked.
I don't know about the M-9 but all other US Military weapons have been Govt owned so the Gov could just assign manufacturing to who ever with out regard to patent rights.
That's how everyone and their brother can build 1911's and AR's, the patents are either publicly held or expired.

Yeah, I think the issue for Glock at the time was that their process of bonding steel and plastic was secret and they would not share it as it was their competitive advantage. They apparently would not bid on the military contract at least that is my memory from this single book...
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Re: Pistols with a shot at replacing the M9
« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2011, 12:19:36 AM »
A little trivia I learned the other day, of all the guns John Browning designed up to, and including the BAR, the only one he received royalties on was the Auto 5. He knew he had a winner but Winchester would not give him a deal that included royalties, they got all his other work for a regular pay check. So he broke with them, got the deal he wanted from FN in Belgium and became fairly wealthy on that one design.

 

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