Hofstra student was killed by police

[twyacht]

TTAG brings up some good, yet too late hindsight...

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I wasn’t there. And even if I was, I don’t know I would have done the “right” thing. But there are [at least] three questions that need answering.

1. Did the first cops on the scene need to enter the house?

Knowing there was a hostage situation—not an active shooter scenario—was an immediate rescue mission a good idea?

How credible was that eight-minute deadline? Does that even matter? In other words, how long would it have taken for a SWAT team to respond and should the first responders have waited for SWAT regardless of any supposed deadline?

2. What kind of gun was the officer shooting, how far away from Smith and Rubello was he, what were the lighting conditions and how much training did he have? Did his training include hostage situations?

I’m not saying the cop should have “made the shot” (killing Smith and leaving Ms. Rubello alive). But the New York police have a horrendous record of shooting accuracy.

As with the Empire State fiasco (where nine civilians were injured by “friendly fire”) the police should immediately review the officers’ firearm (especially the amount of pressure required to pull the trigger), official policy for handling this type of situation, the cops’ firearms training regimen and administrative oversight of that training. The results should be made public.

3. What the hell was this Smith guy doing out on parole?

“Police described [Smith] as having an ‘extensive’ criminal background.” nypost.com reports that “Smith was identified by his fingerprints earlier today. He had been wanted since April for absconding from parole. His criminal record includes armed robbery and automobile theft convictions.”

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/05/robert-farago/new-details-on-hofstra-university-student-friendly-fire-fatality/

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I hope the Judge/Parole Board, whoever decided this maggot learned his lesson "this time", and let him out sleeps well tonight.

Meanwhile another lawful NY firearms owner faces charges for TWO extra bullets over the new limit...

[Solus]

Meanwhile another lawful NY firearms owner faces charges for TWO extra bullets over the new limit...

Ohhh...I didn't think of that. 

The cop found it necessary to fire 8 rounds in an encounter with a single perp....one more than citizens are allowed.

[twyacht]

Ohhh...I didn't think of that. 

The cop found it necessary to fire 8 rounds in an encounter with a single perp....one more than citizens are allowed.

After a hasty bit of Whoops, the "White-Out" and Magic Eraser from the first draft of the NY Safe Act, was "amended" to exclude LEO's from the high cap mag ban...

After all, it's for the children.

[Pathfinder]

Officer training in a word, sucks.  It always has and always will as long as the administrators are more concerned with how much it costs as oposed to how effeictive it is.  80%+ officers never draw thier weapon in a career.  Using that logic, and the rising cost of ammo and range time, the training courses get cut back so now you have a bunch of guys on the street that if and when they do actually get in a violent confrontation, don't know what to do except "spray and pray."  Then it's up to the lawyers to sort it out, but since the department has a "state approved" training program they are marginally covered and it contiues.  On the otherhand if a department says "enough is enough" and raises the standards so maybe things like this doesn't happen, they are either paying to much for it (administration, local gov't) or blasted for buying to much ammo or readying for a war (citizens).

Cops are citizens too. And they are civilians as well.

People without badges are held accountable for every round sent downrange. So too should the LEOs be. Reckless homicide in this case?

[jnevis]

Cops are citizens too. And they are civilians as well.

People without badges are held accountable for every round sent downrange. So too should the LEOs be. Reckless homicide in this case?

In most respects they are.  If you or I miss and hit something we didn't want to we go to court.  If In officer misses, he also ends up in court, after a review board and a few days/months unpaid vacation in most cases.  If they don't get sent to jail for it they still run the very real possibility of being terminated and have to look for a new job.

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[tombogan03884]

In most respects they are.  If you or I miss and hit something we didn't want to we go to court.  If In officer misses, he also ends up in court, after a review board and a few days/months unpaid vacation in most cases.  If they don't get sent to jail for it they still run the very real possibility of being terminated and have to look for a new job.

Meanwhile some one else has to try to find a new twin sister.

[twyacht]

Meanwhile some one else has to try to find a new twin sister.

The premise of the ol' Det. Callahan with his .44, one shot, one dead BG are long gone. History reminds us of Bonnie and Clyde, and the final showdown. It seems just spraying and praying started a while ago. Or perhaps Dillenger would be a better reference.



Jus Sayin'

[Timothy]

The premise of the ol' Det. Callahan with his .44, one shot, one dead BG are long gone.

In Clints defense, he didn't kill all of them!  He shot some dude in the balls in one movie...