California and it's stupid new handgun law.

[slik556]

Living in Crapafornia sucks. As of July 1st. there is another handgun law or regulation in affect. It deals with buying handguns over the internet or out of state and the shipping of said gun into Cali. I don't know the details of how this reg. works so is there anyone out there that can bring me up to speed on what this law dose.

[TAB]

its no big deal... and only applys to the FFLs in CA... all that is required is when a ffl ships a handgun into CA( and it must be on the safe list)  the receiving ffl must double check with the CA DOJ to make sure the shiping FFL is actually a FFl.  So basicly its one of those things... federal law already covers it and you should be doing that anyways( only with the ATF) as a CYA move.

[slik556]

So this is another way for the state of Cali. to make a buck. I'm sure that this will cost the FFL. something which will be past on to me the buyer?

[TAB]

I don't think so in this case as its nothing more then a online database, they might be charging for it.  I honestly didn't pay that much attention too  it... and here is why.

  It only applys to hand guns that are shiped into CA.  Now remember for that FFL to realse that gun to you, it must be on the current safe hand gun list.   So there is no need to go thru all that hassle as chances are a FFL in CA has one in stock, since that would be a instate transfer this law would not apply.

 CA currently does not have a cap on prices for  non face to face transactions.  So you can already get skrewed by a FFL for it.  Many charge $50+ DROS.   I can't really say I blame them, when things go smoothly its a few mins and a couple log entrys, when things go bad, well lets just say you have a gun in your inventory, that you can't sell, can't return and have to keep track of.   I've seen it happen more then once on a Private party transfer.  The buyer fails the back ground check, and so does the owner...  So the gun stays in limbo, nothing you can do about... just keep it locked up and on the books.  Both federal and CA state laws are very complcated and ass backward.

[Jim Urban]

slik556

You can read the FAQ's regarding the CFLC (California Firearms Licensee Check) Program HERE.
And yes,it IS another POINTLESS law.

Jim

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[MikeBjerum]

slik556,

Back in 1977 I found the cure for the problems you face.  Mid June of that year I threw everything I owned in the back of a 1960 Dodge pick-up and returned to my native Minnesota.  I couldn't believe it when I went into a local store (in MN) and found out it is possible to purchase ammo without providing a form of picture ID and filling out a form listing what I was buying.

[Rob10ring]

Don't these laws only apply to new guns. If someone were to buy a used handgun on an online auction, can't they still arrange to have it shipped? I recently found that that was my best bet to get Ruger's 50th Anniversary Bearcat. It can't be sold new in California, but it is considered "used" once the transfer is between private parties (with FFL's in between of course).

[Jim Urban]

Sorry Fuz,

The CA DOJ Cert List applies to ALL handguns whether new or used.

Quote from DOJ page...

"Effective January 1, 2001, no handgun may be manufactured within California, imported into California for sale, lent, given, kept for sale, or offered/exposed for sale unless that handgun model has passed firing, safety, and drop tests and is certified for sale in California by the Department of Justice. Private party transfers, curio/relic handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns are exempt from this requirement."

HERE is another FAQ page regarding gun ownership/transfers in CA.

[Rob10ring]

Sorry Fuz,

The CA DOJ Cert List applies to ALL handguns whether new or used.

Quote from DOJ page...

"Effective January 1, 2001, no handgun may be manufactured within California, imported into California for sale, lent, given, kept for sale, or offered/exposed for sale unless that handgun model has passed firing, safety, and drop tests and is certified for sale in California by the Department of Justice. Private party transfers, curio/relic handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns are exempt from this requirement."

HERE is another FAQ page regarding gun ownership/transfers in CA.

Wouldn't that be a private party transfer?

There are serious talks underway about moving to the real United States!

Thanks for the info. It seems that gun store guys talk a lot of bull.