Coming AWB and a transfer question. Jim Shephard article related.

[Catalina]

I think "wetback" is one word.   

[tombogan03884]

My point was, are the black helicopter and tin foil hat guys really that nuts?

Probably not. 

[tombogan03884]

I could get all worked up also over the various "issues" that some folks focus on. But as I said I am a cynic. I don't believe most people. I don't trust most people. There are lots of folks who ONLY care about their agenda. I also realize quite honestly that there are lots of folks with mental problems. Now don't go ballistic on me, I am not accusing anyone here of being nuts. But some of these issues are ones started by folks that are just plain nuts. Then honest folks get all caught up in the fire.

I have spent my entire life interested in and studying the fringe stuff. Chem trails, chip implants (geeze that one goes back to the 1960's and the JFK assassination), black helicopters, 9/11, Waco, Ruby Ridge etc. etc. The Art Bell stuff and long before him the Long John Nebel stuff. Some of it is otherworldly and that is fun to me. But there is another side which has drifted over to the political side. Now its been around for ages (the Illuminati, the Protocol of Zion etc) but with the Internet it has exploded. LaRouche is a guy for instance who has this entire structured view of the world that is just off the wall AND he is a genuine manipulator of his followers minds. Other guys like Bo Gritz, Alex Jones, Jim Marrs, the Jeff Rense crowd etc etc all fit the everything is a plot and "oh send me money" by the way model.

So I am absolutely open to listening to any theory anyone has out there. But then I sit back and think for myself. I believe the gov't has lots of other crap to do besides listening to my phone calls. More to do than planting antennas in paper money. More to do than tracking my cell phone by billion dollar satellite. More to do than poisoning my water with fluorides, flu vaccine and air with chem trails.

Hell, we have Delta teams all over the mid east looking for Bin Laden. We are using BILLION DOLLAR SATELLITES to try to catch him. But you know what? 500 Delta team guys and thousands of other guys LOST HIM IN THE MOUNTAINS of Afghanistan. So much for the omnipotent gov't. Are there nasty corrupt guys in gov't? You bet your life there are. Do they sometimes focus on an individual and drive him into the ground? You bet they do. But not as some organized "gov't" conspiracy. But as individuals who have no morals, no ethics. They are pieces of excrement but the gov't is not them. No more than a Russian spy who works for the gov't represents "the gov't".

My feelings are also tainted (the new Blago buzzword these days) by having worked in LE for the Feds. I have never seen such a corrupt, incompetent organization in my life. Alcoholics, morons, more worried about overtime than their job. If your worried about your security just look at the US borders. They can't even control a bunch of freaking wet backs from coming into this country by the MILLIONS. My feelings are also tainted by working in corporate America for  much too long in sales. I realized there that there is a boundless number of folks with enormous egos perfectly willing to promote themselves and their efforts to make some cash. Lie Cheat Twist whatever it takes. Drumming up fear is a very big sales tactic. That is the one you really have to watch out for.

So that is why I trust no one. And why I think the conspiracists of the world need to calm down and relax. I always think of the Dept Of Motor Vehicles when I think of the gov't and then things come into proper perspective. So is the world full of SOB's? Yup. But the good thing is that they haven't taken over the country yet. No cabal running things.

Please excuse the rambling, I need to go take my meds now...and oh yes, I do believe UFO's and BigFoot are real.

I remember hearing about Bo Gritz, Art bell's stuff on the Martian ruins is neat, and that asshole Lyndon LaRuche is from my old hometown, the rest of those individuals you mentioned ( Except JFK ) I don't know of.
about my previous post mentioning the govt's ability to listen to you when you think your phone is off. They have the capability, in fact , the NSA (National Security Agency ) DOES collect every single electronic signal generated on planet earth.
The conspiracy theorists are horrified by this. Think, how many billions of pieces of information pass through the airways and into their nets every week ? The volume is ridiculous. OK, how you going to SORT the crap from the interesting stuff ? The truth behind conspiracy is that there are probably MANY, all totally unrelated and working at cross purposes, tripping over each other and fighting over turf, just like every other facet of the government industry. Eisenhower warned us to beware the "military industrial complex", I say thank God for the "Complex governmental industry", our personal privacy owes a debt to every teenager texting gossip to their friends , and the last line of defense of our liberty is the fact that no matter what CAPABILITIES  the govt may have, they are being employed and monitored by PEOPLE who are worried about overtime, pissed at their boss, planning their vacation, or gabbing around the water cooler, JUST LIKE WERE YOU AND I  WORK