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More anti 2a propaganda
« on: June 21, 2009, 12:10:04 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090621/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_jamaica_gun_smuggling



KINGSTON, Jamaica – Ships from Miami steam into Jamaica's main harbor loaded with TV sets and blue jeans. But some of the most popular U.S. imports never appear on the manifests: handguns, rifles and bullets that stoke one of the world's highest murder rates.

The volume is much less than the flow of U.S. guns into Mexico that end up in the hands of drug cartels — Jamaican authorities recover fewer than 1,000 firearms a year. But of those whose origin can be traced, 80 percent come from the U.S., Jamaican law enforcement officials have said in interviews with The Associated Press.

And as the Obama administration cracks down on smuggling into Mexico, Jamaicans fear even more firearms will reach the gangs whose turf wars plague the island of 2.8 million people.

"It's going to push a lot of that trade back toward the Caribbean like it was back in the '80s," said Vance Callender, an attache at the U.S. Embassy in Kingston for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

U.S. authorities are beginning to target the Jamaican gun-smuggling network as part of a broad effort to boost security in the Caribbean.

But they have a long way to go. Jamaican authorities have confiscated only 100 guns coming into ports in the last five years, along with 6,000 rounds of ammunition. That in turn is just a fraction of the 700 or so weapons confiscated on the streets each year.

Authorities know they're only seeing "the tip of the iceberg," said Mark Shields, Jamaica's deputy police commissioner.

With arsenals to rival police firepower, the gangs are blamed for 90 percent of the homicides in Jamaica — 1,611 last year, about 10 times more than the U.S. rate, relative to population.

Unlike in Mexico, the vast majority of Jamaican guns seized are submitted for tracing. Jamaica and the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives find most of the seized weapons come from three Florida counties — Orange, Dade and Broward — all with large Jamaican populations, according to Shields.

X-ray scanners were installed two years ago at Jamaican ports, but the gangs use bribery and intimidation to get their shipments past inspectors.

In April, a newly hired customs supervisor had his tires slashed and days later was shot at on his way home from work, authorities say. The man was known for his strict scrutiny of cargo coming into a gang-infiltrated warehouse on the Kingston wharf.

When the gangs apply pressure, "no one says no," said Danville Walker, Jamaica's commissioner of customs.

"It's a massive problem," said Leslie Green, a Jamaican assistant police commissioner. "There aren't any checks or any controls on goods leaving the United States. Yet anything leaving here, we have to make sure it's double-checked and tripled-checked for drugs."

This complaint — that Americans care only what comes in, not what goes out — echoes that of Mexican authorities, who say cars going from the U.S. into Mexico aren't searched for weapons or cash.

Now hundreds of agents are participating in a $95 million outbound inspection program, stopping suspicious-looking cars and trucks as they cross the border into Mexico. Authorities don't know how many firearms get through, but more than 12,000 guns used in crimes in Mexico last year were sent to U.S. authorities for tracing, a number that grows as more agencies in Mexico are trained to submit traces.

The U.S. and Jamaica both prohibit the unlicensed transport of guns. But like Mexican smugglers, Jamaican ones depend on lax U.S. gun laws, corrupt customs inspectors and front men acting as buyers.

Florida gun laws make it relatively easy to buy a legal firearm, and much of the smuggling is done by family and friends, said Shields, the Jamaican police official.

The guns are concealed in container loads of blue plastic and cardboard barrels, the kind Jamaicans use to send household goods to their families on the island.

Some shipping companies advertise a no-questions-asked policy in soliciting customers, said Walker, the customs commissioner. He declined to single out individual companies.

In one of the few Jamaican gun-smuggling cases prosecuted in the U.S., Tawanna Banton, 36, of Florida was convicted of buying a Glock handgun later used in the gang killings of four island police officers. She said her Jamaican boyfriend arranged the purchase, and she was paid $15,000 to buy the handgun and a .50 caliber "Grizzly" rifle with a tripod mount, according to court documents.

She told ATF agents the guns were then hidden inside kitchen appliances and driven to Miami for shipment to Kingston.

Banton pleaded guilty to making false statements to the gun dealer in 2006 and served a month in prison.

Besides coming in on freighters, authorities say, guns are stolen or purchased from crooked police or in "guns-for-ganja" deals by fishermen, who bring homegrown marijuana to nearby Haiti and return with pistols, revolvers and submachine guns — many of them believed to be from the U.S. as well.

Callender's ICE unit began investigations in Jamaica last year with a focus on guns. He said agents in Miami and New York have been working to "interject themselves" into the shipping networks. Indictments are imminent in two or three cases involving suspected Jamaican traffickers inside the U.S., he said, without elaborating.

Then there's the $45 million Caribbean Basin Security Initiative on regional security, announced by U.S. President Barack Obama in April, which is designed to help the islands counter any spillover of violence from Mexico.

Meanwhile, at the ports, Jamaican customs officials are training more spotters to patrol the warehouses, including five in Kingston who process an average of 10 shipping containers daily.

But inspectors feel the odds are still stacked against them.

"The guys we're up against, they have time, they have money, and they are very resourceful," said Andrew Lamb, a supervisor with Jamaica customs' Contraband Enforcement Team. "They're pretty good at what they do."

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Re: More anti 2a propaganda
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2009, 01:04:58 PM »
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The volume is much less than the flow of U.S. guns into Mexico that end up in the hands of drug cartels — Jamaican authorities recover fewer than 1,000 firearms a year. But of those whose origin can be traced, 80 percent come from the U.S., Jamaican law enforcement officials have said in interviews with The Associated Press

More anti-reporting with fuzzy figures that others will take as "we are responsible for it all."

Why don't these reporters ever say where the other 20% come from, what makes these traceable and the others untraceable, and how many are really coming into any given country.  Or maybe they should talk about if these really come from the U.S. or just pass through the U.S.

This crap makes me so mad I just ramble  >:(
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2009, 01:44:08 PM »
On the other hand......in the spirit of the zoot shooters and living here on the Fl. coast......If TW wanted to "sea test" some of those boats he works on, $15k for a glock? Well...... NO IT WOULD BE WRONG! ;D
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2009, 03:38:01 PM »
U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives find most of the seized weapons come from three Florida counties — Orange, Dade and Broward — all with large Jamaican populations, according to Shields.


Sounds more like a Jamaican criminal problem than a gun problem.
Might not be happening if they PUNISHED the CRIMINALS when they catch them:

In one of the few Jamaican gun-smuggling cases prosecuted in the U.S., Tawanna Banton, 36, of Florida was convicted of buying a Glock handgun later used in the gang killings of four island police officers. She said her Jamaican boyfriend arranged the purchase, and she was paid $15,000 to buy the handgun and a .50 caliber "Grizzly" rifle with a tripod mount, according to court documents.

She told ATF agents the guns were then hidden inside kitchen appliances and driven to Miami for shipment to Kingston.

Banton pleaded guilty to making false statements to the gun dealer in 2006 and served a month in prison.

There's the problem right there, a WHITE AMERICAN would get more than that for drunk driving.

How did she know that unless she was involved ?

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Re: More anti 2a propaganda
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2009, 03:49:55 PM »
Thats  why she only got a month, Tom. She named names. You can call it leniency, but its also putting a big honking bullseye on your ass. If someone can pay 15K for a glock, they can, quite litterally, hire 5 guys to take your ass out in Miami. Probably get it done for a 1/2 ounce of pot in prison. Karma will not be denied.
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Re: More anti 2a propaganda
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2009, 05:19:07 PM »
Thats  why she only got a month, Tom. She named names. You can call it leniency, but its also putting a big honking bullseye on your ass. If someone can pay 15K for a glock, they can, quite litterally, hire 5 guys to take your ass out in Miami. Probably get it done for a 1/2 ounce of pot in prison. Karma will not be denied.
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30 days is still plenty to whack some one, look at, Dahmer. How about the Child molester Priest, the guards LET that guy beat him until they realized he had a razor blade and was going to cut his balls off.
Being a rat didn't keep Sammy the Bull out of the can either, in fact nowadays the note worthy wise guys are the ones who AREN'T ratting, There is currently 1, he's in his 80's or 90's, I forget his name but Jerry Capeci did a write up on him in his Gangland column in the NY Sun.
I don't care if this bitch put the cuffs on her boyfriend herself, like going to jail getting rolled over is a hazard of the game, if you don't want to take a chance on getting your throat cut in the showers or being stabbed in the yard, Hey, simple, DON'T COMMIT CRIMES, otherwise take your chances and do your time.
Besides, what makes you think she any safer on the street, she's a felon so she can't buy a gun (legally), Witness protection HA, clerks and Marshals have already been convicted of selling locations of "protected " scumbags. You think it isn't even EASIER to whack some one on the out side ? Tell a couple of "wannabe's " "Yo, snuff that bitch" and they'll do it for free.

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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2009, 05:22:47 PM »
30 days is still plenty to whack some one, look at, Dahmer. How about the Child molester Priest, the guards LET that guy beat him until they realized he had a razor blade and was going to cut his balls off.
Being a rat didn't keep Sammy the Bull out of the can either, in fact nowadays the note worthy wise guys are the ones who AREN'T ratting, There is currently 1, he's in his 80's or 90's, I forget his name but Jerry Capeci did a write up on him in his Gangland column in the NY Sun.
I don't care if this bitch put the cuffs on her boyfriend herself, like going to jail getting rolled over is a hazard of the game, if you don't want to take a chance on getting your throat cut in the showers or being stabbed in the yard, Hey, simple, DON'T COMMIT CRIMES, otherwise take your chances and do your time.
Besides, what makes you think she any safer on the street, she's a felon so she can't buy a gun (legally), Witness protection HA, clerks and Marshals have already been convicted of selling locations of "protected " scumbags. You think it isn't even EASIER to whack some one on the out side ? Tell a couple of "wannabe's " "Yo, snuff that bitch" and they'll do it for free.
Uhh, Tom? Did you not just agree with everything I wrote in my post?
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2009, 05:24:45 PM »
No, I pointed out why "fear of retribution is a BS reason for only giving her 30 days.

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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2009, 07:28:34 PM »

But they have a long way to go. Jamaican authorities have confiscated only 100 guns coming into ports in the last five years, along with 6,000 rounds of ammunition. That in turn is just a fraction of the 700 or so weapons confiscated on the streets each year.

Don't forget the Jamaican Authorities, are corrupt like the Mexican Federalis. If its a nice weapon it won't ever make it to the press or gov't.

Get outside the tourist traps, and the Jamaican ghettos make Harlem, or Georgetown, look like a playground.

Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny of government. That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants."
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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2009, 08:56:15 PM »
But they have a long way to go. Jamaican authorities have confiscated only 100 guns coming into ports in the last five years, along with 6,000 rounds of ammunition. That in turn is just a fraction of the 700 or so weapons confiscated on the streets each year.

Don't forget the Jamaican Authorities, are corrupt like the Mexican Federalis. If its a nice weapon it won't ever make it to the press or gov't.

Get outside the tourist traps, and the Jamaican ghettos make Harlem, or Georgetown, look like a playground.


The question is, TW, are we on for that "sea test" with the $15k Glocks, even though it would be very, very wrong. ;D
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