Can o' worms

[MikeBjerum]

I am not trying to bad mouth any one, especially not Rob Leatham.  But, in order to win me over, I would need to see some good, reproducible data to back up any claim.  Not just the advice of a shooter, and not just because it hasn't been dis proven.  If you want to claim FLGR are better than the standard guide rod, then by all means produce your evidence, with a statistical analysis.  I don't want to see raw data, with your guess as to what the data says, run the regression and prove it.  Until then quit trying to convince everyone you meet that FLGR are the bee's knees, and let bygones be bygones.  I'll use my shorty guide rod and you can use your extra long guide rod, and we can live in peace.  No dogs and cats living together, no problems.

The problem with repoducing things is that everything is subjective.  You can use objective studies with the equipment right up until you put the human factor in, and at that point it becomes subjective.  Grip, grip strength, stance, flinch, movement, power factor, and everything else tied the the shooter and his choices comes into play.  I have one gun that shoots great most of the time. 

The problem comes in at the end of a long day of shooting, and is compounded based on the heat and heat factor.  These look like items that would be reproducable, except the problem with lots of shots and the weather is their affect on the gun through the shooter rather than just on the gun.  As I wear down I do things that make the gun act if different way.

It is for the subjectives that I look to the shooter and their likes rather than the scientific data.  Find someone with the strengths and weaknesses that best match me, and follow them until I shoot ankle deep in brass daily to learn on my own.

[deamonpi]

That would be why I said to run the regression.  There as plenty of Statistical analysis that can, and will, tell you whether there is an advantage to one category over the other, regardless of the human error involved.  I'm talking about proven statistical methods, there are many, that can do the job, and will tell whether a FLGR is better then a standard length guide rod. 

The problem of course comes in that most shooters are either not good enough, or are set in their opinions so much that they refuse to try and prove their case one way or the other.  If that's the case then no problem, just don't try to THRUST your opinion on others based solely on the force of the argument, rather than the validity or cogency of the argument.

[tombogan03884]

That would be why I said to run the regression.  There as plenty of Statistical analysis that can, and will, tell you whether there is an advantage to one category over the other, regardless of the human error involved.  I'm talking about proven statistical methods, there are many, that can do the job, and will tell whether a FLGR is better then a standard length guide rod. 

The problem of course comes in that most shooters are either not good enough, or are set in their opinions so much that they refuse to try and prove their case one way or the other.  If that's the case then no problem, just don't try to THRUST your opinion on others based solely on the force of the argument, rather than the validity or cogency of the argument.

According to all the OBJECTIVE information I've seen the only difference between the 2 is the FLGR is less convenient on disassembly. the only other differences are personal preference.

[Big Frank]

The FLGR is also slightly heavier.

[MikeBjerum]

According to all the OBJECTIVE information I've seen the only difference between the 2 is the FLGR is less convenient on disassembly. the only other differences are personal preference.

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