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How do you feel about the proposed healthcare for the nation?  Overnight Thursday, 06-AUG protests turned violent.

My Kool Aide cup is full to the brim.  Mein BHO has the ultimate plan of peace and personal wellness for us all.  Get over it and drink some kool-aide cause if you speak out the Dems will hit you twice as hard.
1 (4%)
Health care, I don't need no stinkin' health care.  Mein BHO will take care of me.
0 (0%)
Hush.  I live in Chicago where Democratic thugs and a news reporter attacked people protesting health care.  I am a foolish unarmed sheep and I am afraid I'll get hurt.  Be quiet so no one sees me.  I don't want to attract any attention, I'm
0 (0%)
I'm from Tampa Bay where they tried to close the doors on us because we are trivial and fringe.  Trivial, just like an AARP member.
0 (0%)
I say go long on stocks of companies that produce rope, it looks like the sheep are awakening.
4 (16%)
I think the smell of Molotov Cocktails is about to permeate the streets.  It may be wise to avoid crowds.
9 (36%)
I say we just chug-a-lug and let tomorrow take care of tomorrow.  I am drunk on the wine of victory after last year's presidential elections.  
0 (0%)
The greatness of this nation has been traded for Hollywood tabloid celebrity worship.  What did you expect?
11 (44%)

Total Members Voted: 24

Voting closed: August 21, 2009, 03:23:58 AM


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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2009, 09:15:09 AM »
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/07/21/it-will-be-a-cold-day-in-hell-before-he-socializes-my-country/

This happened with Kathleen Sebellius in Reserve, Louisiana.  I haven't had time to see it, but hear it is good.  The press is a co-conspirator in this farce, this is not on most of the local news and I would not have known about it had I not been on vacation working down here.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
-William Pitt, British Prime-Minister (1759-1806)
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2009, 11:09:28 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090808/ap_on_re_us/us_health_care_threat

WASHINGTON – As they head home to their congressional districts for the August recess, lawmakers who support health care reform are bracing for protests and demonstrations that threaten to turn violent.

In North Carolina, a congressman who backs overhauling health care had his life threatened by a caller upset that he was not holding a public forum on the proposal.

Democratic Rep. Brad Miller received the call Monday, one of hundreds the congressman's office has fielded demanding town-hall meetings on the health care proposal, said his spokeswoman, LuAnn Canipe. She said the callers were "trying to instigate town halls so they can show up and disrupt."

"We had one of those kind of calls that escalated to what we considered a threat" on the congressman's life, Canipe said Friday. "These are some strong-arm tactics, and we are trying to deal with and trying to talk to people in good faith about health care reform."

Earlier this week, White House officials counseled Democratic senators on coping with disruptions at public events this summer.

In the week since the House began its break, several town-hall meetings have already been disrupted by noisy demonstrators.

The latest occurrence was at back-to-back town hall meetings held by Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., which got so raucous police had to escort people out.

Dingell vowed Friday to push ahead with Democratic-led efforts to extend coverage to all, saying he won't be intimidated by protesters.

"I am eager to talk about the bill with anyone who wants to discuss it. That doesn't open the door to everyone who wants to demagogue the discussion," Dingell said in a statement.

The boos, jeers and shouts of "Shame on you!" at the events in a gym in Romulus, Mich., mirror what other Democrats are encountering around the country. Activists have shown up at town-hall meetings held recently by Arlen Specter, D-Pa. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., was greeted by about 200 protesters at an event in Denver, about half supporting Democrats and half opposed.

In Saratoga Springs, N.Y., about 20 protesters showed up at an event held by Democratic Rep. Scott Murphy to let him know they oppose the health care plans in Washington. They carried signs saying: "Obamacare Seniors beware! Rationing is here," and "If socialized medicine is best ... why didn't Ted Kennedy go to Canada?"

The episodes have drawn widespread media attention, and Republicans have seized on them as well as polls showing a decline in support for President Barack Obama and his agenda as evidence that public support is lacking for his signature legislation.

Pushing back, Democrats have accused Republicans of sanctioning mob tactics, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., accused protesters earlier this week of trying to sabotage the democratic process.

Miller never had plans to hold a town-hall meeting during the August recess, Canipe said. Instead, he was sitting down with smaller groups of people to discuss the plan. During one of those smaller gatherings on Friday, hundreds of people from a group called Triangle Conservatives peacefully protested at Miller's Raleigh office.

The threatening caller, when told by a staffer that Miller was not planning a meeting, claimed the congressman didn't want to meet with people face to face because he knew it would cost him his life, according to Canipe. The staffer then asked if the caller was making a threat. The caller, said Canipe, replied that there are a lot of angry people out there.

The U.S. Capitol Police confirmed Friday they were looking into a threat against a congressman, but wouldn't provide further details.

NO, THIS is the Chicago way and we need to think seriously about it if we want to keep America free

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g0RLyxP13o&feature=PlayList&p=3982A8A9B7215701&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6

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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2009, 06:18:27 PM »
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_08_02-2009_08_08.shtml#1249752171

 Columnist Charles Lane - full disclosure, an old friend and a
   journalist who I have admired going all the way back to his Central
   America days in the 1980s - has a striking piece in today's Washington
   Post, [1]"Undue Influence: the House Bill Skews End-of-Life Counsel."

   About a third of American adults have some form of living wills,
   advance care directives, and so on, but, notes the column:

     When seniors who don't have them arrive in a hospital terminally
     ill and incapacitated, families and medical workers wrestle with
     uncertainty -- while life-prolonging machinery runs, often at
     Medicare's expense. This has consequences for families and for the
     federal budget.

     Enter Section 1233 of the health-care bill drafted in the
     Democratic-led House, which would pay doctors to give Medicare
     patients end-of-life counseling every five years -- or sooner if
     the patient gets a terminal diagnosis.

     On the far right, this is being portrayed as a plan to force
     everyone over 65 to sign his or her own death warrant. That's
     rubbish. Federal law already bars Medicare from paying for services
     "the purpose of which is to cause, or assist in causing," suicide,
     euthanasia or mercy killing. Nothing in Section 1233 would change
     that.

   The [2]actual text of section 1233 can be found here via Thomas, the
   Library of Congress data base (if the link doesn't get you to section
   1233, search the data base using H.R. 3200, then go to section 1233).
   But as the column goes on to point out, the bill creates an undue
   conflict of interest for doctors. It is not just, as Lane says, that
   Section 1233 "addresses compassionate goals in disconcerting proximity
   to fiscal ones." (Mickey Kaus has made this same point.) The column
   raises a much more specific concern and conflict of interest for
   doctors:

     Though not mandatory, as some on the right have claimed, the
     consultations envisioned in Section 1233 aren't quite "purely
     voluntary," as Rep. Sander M. Levin (D-Mich.) asserts. To me,
     "purely voluntary" means "not unless the patient requests one."
     Section 1233, however, lets doctors initiate the chat and gives
     them an incentive -- money -- to do so. Indeed, that's an incentive
     to insist.


     Patients may refuse without penalty, but many will bow to
     white-coated authority. Once they're in the meeting, the bill does
     permit "formulation" of a plug-pulling order right then and there
     So when Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.) denies that Section 1233
     would "place senior citizens in situations where they feel
     pressured to sign end-of-life directives that they would not
     otherwise sign," I don't think he's being realistic.


     What's more, Section 1233 dictates, at some length, the content of
     the consultation. The doctor "shall" discuss "advanced care
     planning, including key questions and considerations, important
     steps, and suggested people to talk to"; "an explanation of . . .
     living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses" (even
     though these are legal, not medical, instruments); and "a list of
     national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their
     families." The doctor "shall" explain that Medicare pays for
     hospice care (hint, hint).

     Admittedly, this script is vague and possibly unenforceable. What
     are "key questions"? Who belongs on "a list" of helpful
     "resources"? The Roman Catholic Church? Jack Kevorkian?

     Ideally, the delicate decisions about how to manage life's end
     would be made in a setting that is neutral in both appearance and
     fact. Yes, it's good to have a doctor's perspective. But Section
     1233 goes beyond facilitating doctor input to preferring it.
     Indeed, the measure would have an interested party -- the
     government -- recruit doctors to sell the elderly on living wills,
     hospice care and their associated providers, professions and
     organizations. You don't have to be a right-wing wacko to question
     that approach.

   In a separate post, I want to consider something that the column
   mentions in passing - that, according to the section's backers, it is
   merely "trying to facilitate choice -- even if patients opt for
   expensive life-prolonging care." I'll try to find a moment to post on
   what I see as the relationship between that and the current love
   affair (I share the love, in part, to be sure) with behavioral
   economics.

   In one sense, in other words, section 1233 can be understood as a
   [3]Nudgy move to reset the default rules. The question then becomes,
   is it merely trying to set the default rules for addressing a topic
   that people would rather skip addressing - end of life issues, living
   will issues, health care directives - or is it a nudge for getting
   people, including ones now terminally ill, to shift their social
   default settings on whether or not to consume expensive resources,
   while putting it in the context of seemingly making your own decision
   about it?
They are, clearly, two quite different propositions - and
   both of them amenable to the Nudginess setting of default rules
   analysis and, depending on how one sees it, either "facilitation" or
   "manipulation."

   This question is implied by Chuck Lane's column, because he is
   pointing to a conflict of interest on the part of the provider of this
   advice, on which the distinction in part turns. But it also goes a
   long way further than the Post column, to a discussion of
   Nudge-the-book and the ways in which it can be either a means of
   facilitating the choices that people would rationally make but can't
   quite step up to the plate to make, or else a means of manipulating
   human psychology toward public policy ends that someone else has
   decided are the rational ends, whether people would agree to them or
   not. The principles of Nudge seem disconcertingly applicable to either
   agenda.

   I'm a big fan of it as a facilitation process. I even buy the idea
   that there is a form of justified "libertarian paternalism" that is
   not merely an oxymoron or simple paternalism. But the one, libertarian
   paternalism and the facilitation of the choices that people will make
   for themselves and consider themselves rational for doing so, slides
   really, really easily into the other, paternalism, and manipulating
   choices. All it really takes is an apparatus of public policy and
   disconnected group of technocrats willing to decide the things the way
   that presumably All Rational People Would Decide If Only They Were
   [fill in the blank with your favorite technocrat - e.g., Ken
   Anderson]. (I'll try to get back to this, but probably not soon.)

References

   1. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080703043.html
   2. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111yReBCV:e513253:
   3.
http://www.amazon.com/Nudge-Improving-Decisions-Health-Happiness/dp/014311526X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1249750306&sr=8-1

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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2009, 10:45:00 AM »
2 related stories from Rasmussen
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/32_favor_single_payer_health_care_57_oppose

Thirty-two percent (32%) of voters nationwide favor a single-payer health care system where the federal government provides coverage for everyone. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 57% are opposed to a single-payer plan.

Fifty-two percent (52%) believe such a system would lead to a lower quality of care while 13% believe care would improve. Twenty-seven percent (27%) think that the quality of care would remain about the same.

Forty-five percent (45%) also say a single-payer system would lead to higher health care costs while 24% think lower costs would result. Nineteen percent (19%) think prices would remain about the same.

There's wide political disagreement over the single-payer issue. Sixty-two percent (62%) of Democrats favor a single-payer system, but 87% of Republicans are opposed to one. As for those not affiliated with either major party, 22% favor a single-payer approach while 63% are opposed.

Investors oppose a single-payer system by a three-to-one margin. However, a narrow plurality of non-investors favor such a plan.

Data released earlier today shows that 51% of voters fear the federal government more than private insurance companies when it comes to health care decisions. Forty-one percent (41%) have the opposite fear.

Recent polling has shown that the public is fairly evenly divided about the health insurance proposals being made by the president and congressional leaders of his party, but most remain convinced that the plans will raise costs and hurt the quality of the care they receive. Those who feel strongly about the issue are more likely to oppose the reform effort.

As Congress has debated potential reforms, confidence in U.S. health care system has increased. Just 19% of Americans now rate the overall system as poor while 48% say it’s good or excellent.

Voters are fairly evenly divided in their views of those protesting the health care reform plans at congressional town hall meetings, but 49% believe they are genuinely expressing the views of their neighbors. Thirty-seven percent (37%) believe the protests are phony, encouraged by special interest groups and lobbyists.

Most voters believe that middle class tax cuts are more important than new spending on health care.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low

ublic support for the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low as just 42% of U.S. voters now favor the plan. That’s down five points from two weeks ago and down eight points from six weeks ago.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that opposition to the plan has increased to 53%, up nine points since late June.

More significantly, 44% of voters strongly oppose the health care reform effort versus 26% who strongly favor it. Intensity has been stronger among opponents of the plan since the debate began.

Sixty-seven percent (67%) of those under 30 favor the plan while 56% of those over 65 are opposed. Among senior citizens, 46% are strongly opposed.

Predictably, 69% of Democrats favor the plan, while 79% of Republicans oppose it. Yet while 44% of Democratic voters strongly favor the reform effort, 70% of GOP voters are strongly opposed to it.
Most notable, however, is the opposition among voters not affiliated with either party. Sixty-two percent (62%) of unaffiliated voters oppose the health care plan, and 51% are strongly opposed. This marks an uptick in strong opposition among both Republicans and unaffiliateds, while the number of strongly supportive Democrats is unchanged.

Despite the loss of support, 51% of all voters still say it is at least somewhat likely that the health care proposal will become law this year. That figure has hardly budged since the debate began and now includes 18% who say passage is very likely. Thirty-nine percent (39%) say passage of the plan is unlikely, but only 10% say it is not at all likely.

Congress is now in recess until early September, but Democratic congressional leaders have vowed to pass some form of the health care plan when they return to Washington. Town hall meetings many of the congressmen are holding to get public feedback on the plan have turned into protest sessions, and the New York Times reports today that the president and Democratic leaders are revamping the sales strategy for the reform effort because they find themselves on the defensive.

As for the protesters at congressional town hall meetings, 49% believe they are genuinely expressing the views of their neighbors, while 37% think they’ve been put up to it by special interest groups and lobbyists.

The latest polls shows that 26% of voters believe that passage of the Congressional health care plan will lead to a better quality of health care. But most voters (51%) disagree and say the quality will get worse. Seventeen percent (17%) expect it to stay the same.

Voters ages 18 to 29 are closely divided on the question of quality, but those in all older age groups by sizable margins expect quality to worsen.

Seventy-five percent (75%) of Republicans and 59% of unaffiliated voters say passage of the health care plan will cause the quality of health care to go down. Among Democrats, 41% say quality will improve, 25% get worse and 26% stay the same.

Fifty-one percent (51%) of all voters say the cost of health care will go up if the reform proposal passes. Nineteen percent (19%) say costs will go down, and 21% say they will stay the same.

Voters in all age and income groups, again by large margins, believe passage of the reform measure will drive up health care costs.

Republican voters overwhelmingly say costs will go up with the new plan. By a two-to-one margin, unaffiliated voters agree. Democrats are fairly evenly divided as to whether costs will go up or down.
When it comes to health care decisions, 51% of voters fear the federal government more than private insurance companies. But 41% fear the insurance companies more.

Yet only 25% agree with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that health insurance companies are "villains."
While Congress has debated reforms to the U.S. health care system, Americans have begun to show greater confidence in it. Forty-eight percent (48%) of adults now say the health care system is good or excellent, and only 19% say it’s poor.

Fifty-four percent (54%) of voters say tax cuts for the middle class are more important than new spending for health care reform, although the president’s top economic advisers have indicated that tax hikes may be necessary to fund the reform plan. That helps explain why 76% say it is likely that taxes will have to be raised on the middle class to cover the cost of health care reform, and 59% say it’s very likely.

Thirty-two percent (32%) favor a single-payer health care system where the federal government provides coverage for everyone, but 57% are opposed to a single-payer plan.

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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2009, 10:44:19 AM »
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low

Public support for the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low as just 42% of U.S. voters now favor the plan. That’s down five points from two weeks ago and down eight points from six weeks ago.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that opposition to the plan has increased to 53%, up nine points since late June.

More significantly, 44% of voters strongly oppose the health care reform effort versus 26% who strongly favor it. Intensity has been stronger among opponents of the plan since the debate began.

Sixty-seven percent (67%) of those under 30 favor the plan while 56% of those over 65 are opposed. Among senior citizens, 46% are strongly opposed.

Predictably, 69% of Democrats favor the plan, while 79% of Republicans oppose it. Yet while 44% of Democratic voters strongly favor the reform effort, 70% of GOP voters are strongly opposed to it.
Most notable, however, is the opposition among voters not affiliated with either party. Sixty-two percent (62%) of unaffiliated voters oppose the health care plan, and 51% are strongly opposed. This marks an uptick in strong opposition among both Republicans and unaffiliateds, while the number of strongly supportive Democrats is unchanged.

(Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook.

Despite the loss of support, 51% of all voters still say it is at least somewhat likely that the health care proposal will become law this year. That figure has hardly budged since the debate began and now includes 18% who say passage is very likely. Thirty-nine percent (39%) say passage of the plan is unlikely, but only 10% say it is not at all likely.

Congress is now in recess until early September, but Democratic congressional leaders have vowed to pass some form of the health care plan when they return to Washington. Town hall meetings many of the congressmen are holding to get public feedback on the plan have turned into protest sessions, and the New York Times reports today that the president and Democratic leaders are revamping the sales strategy for the reform effort because they find themselves on the defensive.

As for the protesters at congressional town hall meetings, 49% believe they are genuinely expressing the views of their neighbors, while 37% think they’ve been put up to it by special interest groups and lobbyists.

The latest polls shows that 26% of voters believe that passage of the Congressional health care plan will lead to a better quality of health care. But most voters (51%) disagree and say the quality will get worse. Seventeen percent (17%) expect it to stay the same.

Voters ages 18 to 29 are closely divided on the question of quality, but those in all older age groups by sizable margins expect quality to worsen.

Seventy-five percent (75%) of Republicans and 59% of unaffiliated voters say passage of the health care plan will cause the quality of health care to go down. Among Democrats, 41% say quality will improve, 25% get worse and 26% stay the same.

Fifty-one percent (51%) of all voters say the cost of health care will go up if the reform proposal passes. Nineteen percent (19%) say costs will go down, and 21% say they will stay the same.

Voters in all age and income groups, again by large margins, believe passage of the reform measure will drive up health care costs.

Republican voters overwhelmingly say costs will go up with the new plan. By a two-to-one margin, unaffiliated voters agree. Democrats are fairly evenly divided as to whether costs will go up or down.
When it comes to health care decisions, 51% of voters fear the federal government more than private insurance companies. But 41% fear the insurance companies more.

Yet only 25% agree with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that health insurance companies are "villains."
While Congress has debated reforms to the U.S. health care system, Americans have begun to show greater confidence in it. Forty-eight percent (48%) of adults now say the health care system is good or excellent, and only 19% say it’s poor.

Fifty-four percent (54%) of voters say tax cuts for the middle class are more important than new spending for health care reform, although the president’s top economic advisers have indicated that tax hikes may be necessary to fund the reform plan. That helps explain why 76% say it is likely that taxes will have to be raised on the middle class to cover the cost of health care reform, and 59% say it’s very likely.

Thirty-two percent (32%) favor a single-payer health care system where the federal government provides coverage for everyone, but 57% are opposed to a single-payer plan.

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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2009, 01:15:53 PM »
 They can keep their experiments away from me. Sounds like a good way to get out of Social Security and retirement benefits. I don't trust them with my body. I've seen their track record so far.

 

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