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tombogan03884

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2 interesting stories.
« on: February 21, 2010, 03:01:18 PM »
Found these on Yahoo News today,   ;D

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100221/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_drones



TEL NOF AIR FORCE BASE, Israel – Israel's air force on Sunday introduced a fleet of huge pilotless planes that can remain in the air for a full day and could fly as far as the Persian Gulf, putting rival Iran within its range.

The Heron TP drones have a wingspan of 86 feet (26 meters), making them the size of Boeing 737 passenger jets and the largest unmanned aircraft in Israel's military. The planes can fly at least 20 consecutive hours and are primarily used for surveillance and carrying diverse payloads.

At the fleet's inauguration ceremony at a sprawling air base in central Israel, the drone dwarfed an F-15 fighter jet parked beside it. The unmanned plane resembles its predecessor, the Heron, but can fly higher, reaching an altitude of more than 40,000 feet (12,000 meters), and remain in the air longer.

"With the inauguration of the Heron TP, we are realizing the air force's dream," said Brig. Gen. Amikam Norkin, commander of the base that will operate the drones. "The Heron TP is a technological and operational breakthrough."

The commander of Israel's air force, Maj. Gen. Ido Nehushtan, said the aircraft "has the potential to be able to conduct new missions down the line as they become relevant."

Israel's military refused to say how large the new fleet is or whether the planes were designed for use against Iran, but stressed it was versatile and could adapt to new missions. The plane's maker, state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries, has said it is capable of reaching the Persian Gulf, which would put Iran within its range.

Israeli defense officials said the Heron TP could be a useful tool against Iran. It could provide surveillance, jam enemy communications and connect ground control and manned air force planes.

The officials requested anonymity because they were discussing sensitive military technology.

Israel considers Iran a strategic threat because of its nuclear program, long-range missiles and repeated references by its leaders to the Jewish state's destruction.

Israel has hinted at the possibility of a military strike against Iran if world pressure does not halt Tehran's nuclear program. Israel and the U.S. believe Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons; Iran says its program is for peaceful purposes.

In past conflicts, various types and sizes of unmanned planes have been used in missions like long-range surveillance and attacking enemy targets with guided missiles in conflicts like Iraq and Afghanistan, where anti-aircraft systems are rudimentary.

They have proven much less successful in conflicts where the opponents possessed better anti-aircraft weapons.

During NATO's aerial onslaught against Serbia in 1999, for example, Serbian quickly forces shot down 42 U.S. drones, drastically reducing the effectiveness of the bombing campaign.

"We are aware of the dangers such an aircraft can meet in the battlefield, and we do whatever we can to protect it," said air force Lt. Col. Eyal.

Eyal, whose last name was not disclosed in line with military guidelines, would not comment on how the plane could protect itself from anti-aircraft systems.

Israeli defense analyst Shlomo Brom, a retired general and security expert at Tel Aviv University's Institute for National Security Studies, called the new drone a breakthrough.

"Its staying power and the height it can reach means it is able to cover ground continuously and it is able to cover large territory," he said.

Israel's military was the first to make widespread use of drones in its 1982 invasion of Lebanon, according to Mark Daly, an expert on unmanned aircraft at Jane's defense publications in London.

Israeli companies are considered world leaders in drone technology and now export unmanned aircraft to a number of armies, including U.S.-led forces that have used them in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Heron TP has been in development for about a decade, but the aircraft first saw action during Israel's offensive against Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip just over a year ago.

Drones were seen as crucial to the Gaza onslaught by giving soldiers eyes in the air, keeping watch over rooftops and alleyways in congested urban areas — notifying troops of threats or obstacles in their path.

Palestinian witnesses have long claimed that Israeli drones fire missiles in Gaza, both before and during the Israeli offensive. Israel has never confirmed that its unmanned aircraft are capable of firing missiles.

The military says the huge new drone will give an added element to Israel's ability to control its borders.

Followed by this one:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100221/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_dubai_hamas_slaying

JERUSALEM – The British Embassy in Israel said Sunday it is giving new passports to six British nationals whose identities were stolen by the suspects in the slaying of a top Hamas operative in Dubai — a first step toward clearing their names and returning their lives to normal.

The six Britons — and a seventh man whose name appeared on a German passport used by the alleged hit squad — have had their lives thrown into turmoil by the assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh last month. The seven, all dual citizens, have expressed anger and confusion and say they were victims of identity theft.

Officials in the United Arab Emirates said Sunday that at least two more fake Irish passports have been linked to the alleged assassins, and urged European investigators to launch full-scale probes into passport fraud.

The methodical stalking and killing of al-Mabhouh in a luxury hotel room — widely blamed on Israel's Mossad spy agency — has sparked an investigation that has spread across several continents, with investigators probing possible credit card links to U.S.-based banks, and European officials grilling Israeli envoys over fraudulent passports.

Al-Mabhouh body was found in his room at a luxury hotel in Dubai on Jan. 20, and suspicion almost immediately fell on Israel's Mossad spy agency.

The discovery that the identities used by seven of the suspected killers belonged to Israeli citizens has further fueled suspicions that the secretive Mossad agency carried out the hit. Dubai authorities, who have identified a total of 18 suspects, have said they are virtually certain the Mossad was involved.

With suspicion increasingly falling on Israel, a senior EU diplomat in Brussels warned Sunday the affair would damage the Jewish state's relations with the European bloc. The official said the passport controversy "will be harmful for the way Israel is treated by the EU" since it comes on top of strong criticism of Israel's offensive in the Gaza Strip last year.

The diplomat spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic.

The seven Israelis caught who share names with the suspects have denied any connection with al-Mabhouh's killing. Pictures of the seven alleged assassins released by Dubai bear little or no resemblance to the true holders of the passports.

One of the Israelis, Jonathan Louis Graham, told the Maariv daily Sunday that he'd never even been to Dubai.

"Clearly, that's not me — the person whose picture was published," Graham was quoted as saying. "I've got my passport and I don't know how this happened, but my identity was stolen. I'm a bit angry about what's happened, but I'm going to have to cope with that myself."

Raffi Shamir, a spokesman for the British Embassy in Tel Aviv, said the six British citizens have been invited to arrange for new passports, which are expected to arrive soon.

Shamir said the six British passports used in Dubai had names and passport numbers that matched the owners, but photos and signatures that did not.

He said the new passport numbers would allow those unwittingly caught up in the affair them to travel freely, despite the fact that their names were placed on Interpol's watchlist last week. Interpol has said those whose identities were stolen should be able to travel as usual, though they may face more scrutiny.

The German weekly Der Spiegel reported Saturday that the German passport was not forged, and that German authorities issued a passport for Michael Bodenheimer in 2008. Bodenheimer, an ultra-Orthodox rabbi who lives in Israel, said he had no connection to the case.

"While it's true that my parents were born in Germany, I was born in the United States, and that's where I have my passport from," he told Maariv. "I never asked for a German passport, nor have I ever possessed one. This entire story has nothing to do with me."

In Dubai, the UAE's minister of state for foreign affairs, Anwar Gargash, voiced concern Sunday that the assassins used expertly doctored passports from nations that don't require advance UAE visas, allowing them to enter the country without scrutiny.

Emirates' foreign minister, Sheik Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan, urged European allies to probe how fraudulent passports had been used by the hit squad. Britain, Ireland and France have already summoned Israeli diplomats to seek information on possible Israeli involvement.

Emirati officials close to the investigation said that at least two more suspects in the slaying entered the Emirates on fraudulent Irish passports. They also said some of the 18 suspects visited the Gulf city-state for a reconnaissance mission at least once before the slaying.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

The latest allegations bring the number of fake passports allegedly tied to the killing to 13 — six British, five Irish, one French and one German. Two Palestinians are in custody and three suspects remain unidentified.

Iran better not mess with Israel   ;D

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Re: 2 interesting stories.
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2010, 04:04:21 PM »

Iran better not mess with Israel
 

+1

An otherwise small country, surrounded by Muslim nations, that would love to wipe them off the planet.

The big BUT is, Israel is a rabid pit-bull when pushed into a corner, and the ONLY thing countries like Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Palestine, know is they will all meet their virgins a little early if they attack Israel.

Israel already disregards the the UN as a bunch of impotent diplomats, (which they are),  and would gladly nuke any one of those countries back to the stone age. THAT is what Muslims understand.  Great weapons, great pilots, and the IDF, and the testicular fortitude to strike.

Unlike a certain POTUS, and AG that treat them like common criminals, worthy of rights under our Constitution, and would like to just "talk" to these folks, and work things out diplomatically,.......



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Re: 2 interesting stories.
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2010, 04:56:41 PM »

Iran better not mess with Israel
 

+1

An otherwise small country, surrounded by Muslim nations, that would love to wipe them off the planet.

The big BUT is, Israel is a rabid pit-bull when pushed into a corner, and the ONLY thing countries like Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Palestine, know is they will all meet their virgins a little early if they attack Israel.

Israel already disregards the the UN as a bunch of impotent diplomats, (which they are),  and would gladly nuke any one of those countries back to the stone age. THAT is what Muslims understand.  Great weapons, great pilots, and the IDF, and the testicular fortitude to strike.

Unlike a certain POTUS, and AG that treat them like common criminals, worthy of rights under our Constitution, and would like to just "talk" to these folks, and work things out diplomatically,.......







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Re: 2 interesting stories.
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2010, 02:45:09 AM »
Benjamin Netenyahu is still hovering in the background, and he has never hesitated to use force if needed.
The Drone should be no surprise since the first drones the Marines got were Israeli made "Pioneer" , Basically it was a large model Airplane with camera's, which became sensors which meant bigger, and eventually led to our own Predator and Global Hawk systems.

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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2010, 07:19:40 AM »
Benjamin Netenyahu is still hovering in the background, and he has never hesitated to use force if needed.

I have long held Benjamin Netenyahu in very high esteem.  And I have not yet been disappointed in either his willingness to take on the hard jobs, or the moral fiber and dedication of his public persona.  Would that I could say the same for leaders of my own country.  Odamna has been much less than supportive of our closest ally in the Middle East and I believe this stems from his own Islamic roots coupled with his absorbing 25+ years of the anti-semitic rhetoric and rants spewed forth by Jeremiah Wright.

As a Christian, I believe that supporting Israel is being on "God's Side" in what could/will turn into a very ugly period in that part of the world.  But, I also have the "results sheet" so I already know how this turns out.

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