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[jaybet]

I ususally ignore a whole bunch of political stuff, but I'm amazed by the political ads I've seen on tv from Arlen Specter. He's running agains Sestak...a retired ADMIRAL who commanded a carrier battle group! Specter's ads are labeling Sestak as "Just another politician".
What giant brass balls has Specter. A guy who was a life-long republican then switched parties because he was going to get his ass kicked in his primary...now he is calling this distinguished opponent "Just another politician". Is he HIGH? This guy is the epitome of a life-long, self service, cynical, "do-anything-to-get-reelected" political douchebag. At BEST he is delusional.

What a smacked ass!

[Timothy]

I don't like Specter and I don't know much about his adversary but I will say this about his Naval career.

I have an aquaintance who served 34 years, retired as a Captain (Colonel for you Army/Corp guys), full bird.  Over the years, he's become a progressive liberal who is difficult to talk to.  This Sestak guy did 31 years, made Vice Admiral, grad from Annapolis and there is no way he made three star with out kissing the correct ass at the correct time and he's a Democrat...

Specter may be right....a dilusional asshat, yes!  But he may have a point.

[Fatman]

You're both right.

Vote republican.

[fightingquaker13]

Gasp! Just like gun owners, service members vote in both parties. I don't know why it is a topic of controversy on this board that patriotism, as well as respect for the 2A, knows no party. Nor does it know, or care, if you are liberal or conservative. Liberals have done a great deal of damage that they have to answer for. Conservatives however, more than anything, have to answer for putting forward the idea that they've cornered the market on patriotism and "true" Christianity. "You're with us or against us". My ass. Hell, look at the demographics of the Army and Navy. How many of those Black Sailors and Soldiers do you think vote GOP? Lets please understand that patriots can support healthcare and knaves oppose it. I'd rather vote for Max Baucus on the 2A than trust Mitt Romney. The list goes on. Ideologies are dangerous and parties are potentially poisinous. Rant over.
FQ13
PS Want to piss Specter off? Ask him about the "Magic bullet", preferably while smoking a Morely.

[Timothy]

Once again FQ, you've jumped to your own conclusion here.  I never questioned my friends patriotism nor did I question the Congressmans or even Specters for that matter.

I merely made an observation, with some experience in the matter, that making advancement through the officer corps of our active duty military requires that one might have to play a bit of politics to get advanced to the upper reaches of power.  Kiss a bit of ass, plan your strategy, volunteer for certain things when the timing is right, take advantage of every situation that arrises and never waste a good tragedy.  In other words, play politics.

One of the reasons I left active duty and never made the military a career was that I was unwillling to sacrifice my ethic or morals and kiss the ass of people I did not respect or thought had earned the right to lead men.  Unlike you or most academics, I don't find that a college education builds character or defines who has leadership potential.  Leaders rise to the occasion regardless of their humble beginings.

As too the rest, I remember the day John Kennedy died quite vividly, don't presume that you're recollection of the history of America is any better than anyone elses.

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[BAC]

Actually, Benedict Arlen was a lifelong democrat until he switched parties in (I think) 1965.  He's always been a liberal that looks out for himself first.  Party affiliation has just been a means to an end.  Mike Bloomberg learned party-hopping from Arnie.

[fightingquaker13]

Once again FQ, you've jumped to your own conclusion here.  I never questioned my friends patriotism nor did I question the Congressmans or even Specters for that matter.

I merely made an observation, with some experience in the matter, that making advancement through the officer corps of our active duty military requires that one might have to play a bit of politics to get advanced to the upper reaches of power.  Kiss a bit of ass, plan your strategy, volunteer for certain things when the timing is right, take advantage of every situation that arrises and never waste a good tragedy.  In other words, play politics.

One of the reasons I left active duty and never made the military a career was that I was unwillling to sacrifice my ethic or morals and kiss the ass of people I did not respect or thought had earned the right to lead men.  Unlike you or most academics, I don't find that a college education builds character or defines who has leadership potential.  Leaders rise to the occasion regardless of their humble beginings.

As too the rest, I remember the day John Kennedy died quite vividly, don't presume that you're recollection of the history of America is any better than anyone elses.

Timothy
A: I was trying to agree with you. Eg, don't assume that just because someone is a vet doesn't mean they aren't a liberal. I might have misread the OP, but I thought the OP was saying Spectre had somehow slimed the guy by implying he was a lib. It might very well be true. Two words, Wesley Clarke. We are the same page here, I think.
B: As far as mentioning the context for the Magic Bullet quote, just force of habit, always explain a reference. I will delete it. No offence intended.
FQ13

[twyacht]

Just like Charlie Crist (now I-FL), they jump ship before the women and children ever reach the life boats, and serve their own selfish and opportunistic careers as they see fit.

Never liked Specter, he always had good sound bites when it was "convenient" to make one, and once back in power, blew whichever way the wind favored him.

Just like McCain, and Lindsey Grahamnesty.

[Timothy]

Timothy
A: I was trying to agree with you. Eg, don't assume that just because someone is a vet doesn't mean they aren't a liberal. I might have misread the OP, but I thought the OP was saying Spectre had somehow slimed the guy by implying he was a lib. It might very well be true. Two words, Wesley Clarke. We are the same page here, I think.
B: As far as mentioning the context for the Magic Bullet quote, just force of habit, always explain a reference. I will delete it. No offence intended.
FQ13

As too the original post, I read it as he's "Just another politician"...nothing more.  What I was suggesting was similar to the above, that we cannot assume that ALL military are "apolitical", quite the contrary, and that anyone who's made the "fast track" to Vice Admiral may have paid for that advancement very dearly.  The route Sestak took was probably more political than military.

Sometimes, short and sweet are the better routes to understanding!

No harm, no foul.....

[tombogan03884]

Gasp! Just like gun owners, service members vote in both parties. I don't know why it is a topic of controversy on this board that patriotism, as well as respect for the 2A, knows no party. Nor does it know, or care, if you are liberal or conservative. Liberals have done a great deal of damage that they have to answer for. Conservatives however, more than anything, have to answer for putting forward the idea that they've cornered the market on patriotism and "true" Christianity. "You're with us or against us". My ass. Hell, look at the demographics of the Army and Navy. How many of those Black Sailors and Soldiers do you think vote GOP? Lets please understand that patriots can support healthcare and knaves oppose it. I'd rather vote for Max Baucus on the 2A than trust Mitt Romney. The list goes on. Ideologies are dangerous and parties are potentially poisinous. Rant over.
FQ13
PS Want to piss Specter off? Ask him about the "Magic bullet", preferably while smoking a Morely.

Dude, History shows that everything the "Liberal" in other words Democratic, party advocates from foreign policy to economic policy, to their opinion on guns has been proven to not work. The fact that stupid and deluded people permeate all walks of life is no surprise.
I find it interesting that Congressional Aide Spectre serves as an investigator on the Warren Commission, then ,POOF !
Changes parties and becomes "Senator for Life" ?
Gerald Ford sat on the Commission, He was the only President to be appointed. The President of the US was elected by one district of Michigan.