Winchester Silvertip 9mm 115gr Bad Ammo?

[garand4life]

I picked up a box of 115gr 9mm silvertip for my new Sig2022 and after looking online there seems to be some really bad feelings toward the round. Did I make a mistake?

[fightingquaker13]

I picked up a box of 115gr 9mm silvertip for my new Sig2022 and after looking online there seems to be some really bad feelings toward the round. Did I make a mistake?

Dunno. Shoot it and tell us. Not to sound flip, but there's one way to find out.
FQ13

[Majer]

Silvertips used to be the "best" carry ammo out there. It has been replaced by more modern advances. As I recall it was very accurate in my HiPower, But has been replaced with Remington 9mm4 (115 JHP +P+ Law Enforcement only)

[twyacht]

Never tried the 9mm Silvertips, but the 45Colt ones I piled up, have never given an issue in my Uberti. I can't imagine, even with Olin/Winchester moving it's ammo division to Mississippi that quality would falter.

What's the beef? FTF, FTE, Stovepipes? bad primers?

Fill two mags and let em' rip. Let us know. Same as WWB, just a different bullet.

[kmitch200]

The 115gr ST got a bad rap in the Miami FBI shootout.

One bullet stopping 1" short of the bad guys heart after going through his upper arm led to the FBI testing protocol we have today.

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[twyacht]

The 115gr ST got a bad rap in the Miami FBI shootout.

One bullet stopping 1" short of the bad guys heart after going through his upper arm led to the FBI testing protocol we have today.

That whole Miami shootout has been dissected and proves that the 9mm, deserves more, like 124 or 147 grain +P or +P+ rds, OR

Multiple Shots. Also the LEO's on the scene were not trained as well as current Officers. They learned alot from that day.

And now carry larger calibers.

[ellis4538]

MB loves it...nuff said!


Richard

[PegLeg45]

I shot a lot of the stuff way back. Always fed in my 1911's. Never had to shoot a living creature with it, so as to that area of performance, I can't comment.....but it was good shooting ammo.

[tombogan03884]

That whole Miami shootout has been dissected and proves that the 9mm, deserves more, like 124 or 147 grain +P or +P+ rds, OR

Multiple Shots. Also the LEO's on the scene were not trained as well as current Officers. They learned alot from that day.

And now carry larger calibers.

The biggest advantage the Bad guys had in Miami is that the FBI on the scene shot like crap.
Both of them were shot by one Agent, one agent needed glasses but did not have them with him, they all ran out of ammo.
If the BG's had not bled to death they could have walked over and clubbed the agents to death.
The 2 or 3 rounds that actually hit the BG's worked fine.

As usual, human failure got blamed on equipment.
It's nothing but a variation on the "guns kill people" BS. In this case, 9MM .38, or whatever, doesn't kill people.

[rat31465]

The most complaints I have read regarding just about the entire spectrum of the Silvertip's caliber line had more to do with feeding problems. 
Winchester designed the bullet with such a shallow Ogive and an overly large Hollow Point to help ensure more reliable expansion.  Problem was with earlier productions of the Silvertip bullets... the jacketing material was softer and somewhat "sticky" causing undue friction between the bullet and the feed ramp. 
Other issues I have seen raised  was that the tip of the loaded bullets would hang up on the front of the magazine which made ejection and feeding issues an iffy proposistion.....More modern firearms have been designed and given more generous clearences to accomadate a wider range of bullet shapes...and lastly a lot of the older semi-autos required polishing the feed ramps and  "Throating" in order to feed them.

I actually like the Silvertip...I use to shoot them in a .38 Super I owned that was scary accurate with them, and still keep them around as self defense loads in my old 1910 Browning .380 ACP.