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kmitch200

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Re: National Forest open carry
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2011, 02:48:42 PM »
Thanks for responding and I'm not trying to challenge you I just want to understand...here's one of the regs that showed on your list under actual regulations. I put in red the questionable areas:

ยง261.8 Fish and wildlife.
The following are prohibited to the extent Federal or State law s violated:
(a) Hunting, trapping, fishing, catching, molesting, killing or having in
possession any kind of wild animal, bird, or fish, or taking the eggs of
any such bird.
(b) Possessing a firearm or other implement designed to discharge a
missile capable of destroying animal life.
(c) Possessing equipment which could be used for hunting, fishing, or
trapping.
(d) Possessing a dog not on a leash or otherwise confined.
(e) Curtail the free movement of any animal or plant life into or out of a
cave, except as authorized to protect a cave resource.

I put in red the pertinent part.

If you are violating a law  you shouldn't be in possession of a firearm.

So don't collect and fry up bald eagle hatchlings or tend a Mary Jane grow while carrying. Don't go into "enviromentally sensitive" areas that prohibit entry. Don't throw dynamite at snail darters. You get the picture....  

If it is legal to open carry in that state, since you are in that state, it is legal in the national forest. If it isn't legal to open carry in that state, national forest doesn't make it any different unless you are hunting, then you obviously are carrying a gun and the hunting regs apply.

Hundreds of thousands of people hunt and shoot in national forests EVERY YEAR - ALL YEAR.
Really, it's OK.
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Re: National Forest open carry
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2011, 03:08:46 PM »
I put in red the pertinent part.

If you are violating a law  you shouldn't be in possession of a firearm.

So don't collect and fry up bald eagle hatchlings or tend a Mary Jane grow while carrying. Don't go into "enviromentally sensitive" areas that prohibit entry. Don't throw dynamite at snail darters. You get the picture....  

If it is legal to open carry in that state, since you are in that state, it is legal in the national forest. If it isn't legal to open carry in that state, national forest doesn't make it any different unless you are hunting, then you obviously are carrying a gun and the hunting regs apply.

Hundreds of thousands of people hunt and shoot in national forests EVERY YEAR - ALL YEAR.
Really, it's OK.

I thought it was but we got into a big discussion at the office about this. One guy says he had a gun (rifle) confiscated (a few years back) but it was loaded in a vehicle. I do use the range in GW National Forest in WV and never had any problems but like I said before there are so many regs it's hard to know what you can and can't do. I can see where the part you put in red is pertinent.

Thanks for the clarification.

Larry
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Re: National Forest open carry
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2011, 04:19:29 PM »
there are so many regs it's hard to know what you can and can't do.

I know exactly what you are saying. It pisses me off! Write the laws in plain english and say what you mean.

Reading the hunting regs for my state is a PITA. It finally got to the point one year, I just figured I would hunt in the moral, ethical way my Dad showed me and if I did something wrong the state would tell me about it. I don't road hunt, soft tag game, shoot over my limit, shoot species not in season, etc., etc.

To quote Ayn Rand: One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
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Re: National Forest open carry
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2011, 04:27:24 PM »
In MI the only place you can open carry is in the woods. I used to buy a small game license every year whether I planned on hunting or not. I might see something to shoot while I'm out walking around.
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Re: National Forest open carry
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2011, 04:42:29 PM »
I know exactly what you are saying. It pisses me off! Write the laws in plain english and say what you mean.

Reading the hunting regs for my state is a PITA. It finally got to the point one year, I just figured I would hunt in the moral, ethical way my Dad showed me and if I did something wrong the state would tell me about it. I don't road hunt, soft tag game, shoot over my limit, shoot species not in season, etc., etc.

To quote Ayn Rand: One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.


It still doesn't hurt to keep the regulations handy.  In MA, it is unlawful to hunt on Sunday, unlawful to carry any ammunition not specifically used in your hunting firearm, ie....having a few pistol rounds loose in your small game vest and you're carrying a shotgun, it's unlawful to CC while hunting, even with a CC permit, unlawful to be in the woods with a firearm 30 minutes before sunrise and 30 minutes after sunset.....it goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on......

They prefer to hunt deer with Volvo's, BMW's etc.....

Damn glad I don't live there anymore...

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Re: National Forest open carry
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Re: National Forest open carry
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2011, 04:59:13 PM »
To quote Ayn Rand: One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.


I thought that was TAB, not Ayn.   ;D

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Re: National Forest open carry
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2011, 09:05:30 PM »
In MI the only place you can open carry is in the woods. I used to buy a small game license every year whether I planned on hunting or not. I might see something to shoot while I'm out walking around.

Hey Frank, It gets confusing, but yoy can legally open carry in MI, and it may even be advantages over CCW as to where you can carry.  Took a few lawsuits for unlawful arrest before the MSP issued an update.
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Re: National Forest open carry
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2011, 03:03:35 AM »
I haven't kept up with it. Things have really changed since I last had a CCW. I need to get one again but I keep putting it off.
""It may be laid down as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every Citizen who enjoys the protection of a free Government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at a Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency." - George Washington. Letter to Alexander Hamilton, Friday, May 02, 1783

THE RIGHT TO BUY WEAPONS IS THE RIGHT TO BE FREE - A. E. van Vogt, The Weapon Shops of Isher

 

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