Must be powerful guns

[DGF]

This from the AP. Is an AK 74 twice as powerful?

27 Rifles Stolen from California Military Base
Published July 30, 2011
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Twenty-six AK-74 assault rifles, above, and one Dragunov sniper rifle were stolen from a supply warehouse at Fort Irwin in San Bernardino County.
FORT IRWIN, Calif. –  More than two dozen assault rifles have been stolen from a Southern California military base, and investigators sought the public's help as they looked to arrest suspects and recover the weapons, federal officials said Friday.
Twenty-six AK-74 assault rifles and one Dragunov sniper rifle were stolen from a supply warehouse at Fort Irwin in San Bernardino County on July 15, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says in a statement.
Some arrests have been made and one rifle has been recovered, but the agency is offering a reward of up to $10,000 for information leading to further arrests, the statement said.
"Community participation is necessary to improve the likelihood that ATF and our law enforcement partners will track down the firearms as well as the criminals who have sought to destabilize our community through illegal activity," ATF Special Agent in Charge John A. Torres said in the statement.
ATF spokesman Special Agent Christian Hoffman could not say when reached by phone how many were arrested, whether they were military or civilian or what motive they may have had.
He referred those questions to military officials, who made the arrests. Phone and email messages left late Friday for a spokesman from the U.S. Army Criminal Investigations Command, which is investigating the theft along with the ATF and the FBI, were not immediately returned.
Hoffman also could not say why word of the theft did not become public for two weeks, but said his agency decided to issue a news release because of the potential danger the loose weapons posed.
"We determined that there was a public safety issue with the guns getting out on the street," he said.
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[david86440]

I didn't see anything in article about it being twice as powerful.

You mean AK 74 being 5.45x39mm vs the AK47  7.62x39mm?

[tombogan03884]

It's an even smaller, lighter round than the pissy .223.
The Russians fielded it while they were in Afghanistan in the 80's the first example seen by Western intelligence sources was supplied to the CIA by Soldier of Fortune Magazine.
It's the worst of both worlds, an AK with loose tolerances and so so accuracy paired with a glorified pellet at high speed.

[david86440]

It's an even smaller, lighter round than the pissy .223.
The Russians fielded it while they were in Afghanistan in the 80's the first example seen by Western intelligence sources was supplied to the CIA by Soldier of Fortune Magazine.
It's the worst of both worlds, an AK with loose tolerances and so so accuracy paired with a glorified pellet at high speed.

That's my point Tom, not sure what angle DGF is coming from. He needs to clarify the point he is trying to make.

[tombogan03884]

I think either #1, he isn't familiar with the AK 74, (possibly not really into the military styled stuff ) or #2 he was making fun of the anti's ignorance, "74 is bigger than 47 so it must be more powerful".
And we both know that's exactly the type of stupid shite the brady's try to put out.

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[kmitch200]

"Community participation is necessary to improve the likelihood that ATF and our law enforcement partners will track down the firearms as well as the criminals who have sought to destabilize our community through illegal activity,"

In such an obvious inside job, why would "Community participation" be needed?

[twyacht]

Gee, The ATF was MUM for two weeks about this, than offers reward and requests help from the citizenry...

http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/07/chris-dumm/atfe-investigates-u-s-armys-lost-ak-74s-i-feel-so-much-better-now/

We’ve heard plenty about the ‘seepage’ of arms from the Mexican army and police forces into criminal hands, but we’re not quite so used to it happening here at home.  When twenty-six AK-74 rifles and one Dragunov sniper rifle went missing from a U.S. Army storage depot at Fort Irwin, California, however, Army officials knew just who to call: the ATFE.

After all, no other Federal agency has more experience with losing rifles than the ATFE, which spent years deliberately losing track of thousands of rifles, most of which were ultimately delivered to Mexican drug cartels and used to murder civilians, police, and two U.S. law enforcement agents (so far).

The ATFE is pursuing this Army case vigorously, and has already made several arrests related to the 27 missing rifles.  This investigative diligence stands in stark contrast to their Schultzian (I know nothink!) investigation of more than two thousand missing rifles, now in the hands of hands of Mexican drug gangs.

The Moral Of The Story?  Lose 27 rifles, and all Hell lets out for lunch.  Lose more than two thousand, and it’s just another year on the job for the ATFE.

Details at cnn.com.