Orange guns

[MikeBjerum]

Tom,

I will brag a little on our liberal blue butt state:  Minnesota has a premier firearm safety and hunter education program.  It is one of the few courses that is recognized by nearly every state in the union.  We cover firearm safety, terminology (clip vs. Magazine, and the one Mr. Potterfield failed this morning   horn vs. antler), shooting knowledge and technique, hunting ethics, hunting laws, shooting skills, field skills, and they must pass both a written and field test on all information.  Our course is about 16 hours - we go 2 to 2 1/2 hours per night for eight nights, plus the range day of about two hours.

Not all states demand the same level, but in most cases when they trim it back it is the hunter side that gets cut rather than the firearm safety.  That is why so many states, like Kansas and Colorado, require a hunter's education class be taken when you come in, however they both recognize MN.  The only state I have considered that did not honor my Minnesota certificate was Alaska.  However, Alaska has a very strict view of wanton waste.

[tombogan03884]

Oh. Thanks M58.

[PegLeg45]

I agree with ghosthunter on this one.

There is a place for the orange, red and blue guns in certain classes and training events.  However, in firearm safety and hunter education there is no force on force or combative training.  This is also the first exposure of many students to firearms.  To introduce them to firearms through the use of a "toy" is to perpetuate the mystery of the gun.

+1

If they are going to hunt with real guns, they should be exposed to real guns in the classroom. Also, if the instructor is judged as competent, then don't undermine that by shortchanging his credibility by making him use expensive toys. Students should be taught from the start that real guns are to be used properly and respected, but basically they are tools....dangerous tools, but still tools with a particular use.

I'm sure after saying this, a certain DEA video will pop up........ and that scenario should be considered because negligence  happens........but all-in-all, I stand by my opinion....which when adjusted for inflation and added to a $2 bill will get a McCoffee.

[kmitch200]

I will brag a little on our liberal blue butt state:  Minnesota

And still the only state that I travel in when driving cross country that doesn't honor my CCW permit. (I usually don't go to WI and WILL NOT travel in IL)  God I hope you guys get HF 1467 passed!

As far as the orange guns, I prefer a 22 loaded with Stingers when blasting fruit. 

[ghosthunter]

I have to start this by saying that I have not taken hunter safety, so I am not familiar with the class requirements.
I was under the impression that the course was more focused on ethics, game laws and the "hunting" aspects of it rather than the "gun" parts beyond stressing the basic safety rules.
With that impression I don't understand the need to even have guns present in the first place.
Isn't the "shooter safety" training a separate, type specific class ?

In our state they stress gun handling. No one was ever killed with ethics or conservation. Safe gun handling is where the blood is. A few years back we had a 14 year old shoot a hiker. Thought she was a bear. We handle guns every single class. students are required to pass a feild coarse loading and unloading as they go.

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[ghosthunter]

Tom,

I will brag a little on our liberal blue butt state:  Minnesota has a premier firearm safety and hunter education program.  It is one of the few courses that is recognized by nearly every state in the union.  We cover firearm safety, terminology (clip vs. Magazine, and the one Mr. Potterfield failed this morning   horn vs. antler), shooting knowledge and technique, hunting ethics, hunting laws, shooting skills, field skills, and they must pass both a written and field test on all information.  Our course is about 16 hours - we go 2 to 2 1/2 hours per night for eight nights, plus the range day of about two hours.

Not all states demand the same level, but in most cases when they trim it back it is the hunter side that gets cut rather than the firearm safety.  That is why so many states, like Kansas and Colorado, require a hunter's education class be taken when you come in, however they both recognize MN.  The only state I have considered that did not honor my Minnesota certificate was Alaska.  However, Alaska has a very strict view of wanton waste.

Yep thats what we do in washington. My classes are 16-18 hours long.

[MikeBjerum]

And still the only state that I travel in when driving cross country that doesn't honor my CCW permit. (I usually don't go to WI and WILL NOT travel in IL)  God I hope you guys get HF 1467 passed!

As far as the orange guns, I prefer a 22 loaded with Stingers when blasting fruit. 

It passed yesterday, and today started Gov. Dayton's count to sign or veto.  We will know next week.