Kings Cross Incident

[philw]

ok

not sure if this has made the news over there


look at this fottage  and tell me what you think  were the police heavy handed in the arrest??

I will explane what happened and give un edited version later
I would like everyones thoughts just on this footage first  as this is what is being used here in the media

[tombogan03884]

The beginning is to shaky and starts to late in the action to make a decision.
Looks like they may have been rough, but there is no context, why was it happening, and how did the guy get on the ground in the first place.
As with Rodney King, we saw the cops pummeling him, we did not hear about the Sheriffs Deputy who wanted to shoot him.

[philw]

here is the story of what happened

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/bloody-ending-to-teen-joyride-in-kings-cross/story-e6freuy9-1226335231120

A MAN accused of riding in a stolen car that was involved in a police shooting in Sydney's nightclub district has been refused bail.

Matthew Dalton, 24, appeared at Parramatta Bail Court today charged with being carried in conveyance.

It's alleged he was one of six people in a stolen car that mounted the pavement on Darlinghurst Road, in Kings Cross, about 4am yesterday, hitting a 29-year-old woman and striking another pedestrian.

The group were allegedly fleeing from two police officers who had recognised them.

The officers opened fire in a bid to halt the car, hitting a 14-year-old boy driving the car and an 18-year-old male passenger.

The driver was hit in the chest and arm and the 18-year-old was struck in the neck.

Both teenagers remain in hospital.

Mr Dalton, from Mount Druitt, in Sydney's west, was allegedly sitting on the back seat of the car during the incident.

He appeared in court via an audio-visual link from Surry Hills police station, where he was taken after his arrest.

Magistrate Michael Morahan formally refused bail.

Mr Dalton is due to appear at Sydney's Central Local Court later this week.

Two other boys, aged 14 and 16, who are also alleged to have been passengers in the car appeared at Parramatta Children's Court today.

Both are charged with being carried in conveyance and cannot be named for legal reasons.

A 13-year-old boy also accused of riding in the car is due to appear at Bidura Children's Court, in Sydney, in May.

Senior detectives are conducting an internal investigation into the circumstances leading up to the shooting.

Bloody ending to teen joyride

A police officer unleashed a series of savage blows to the head of a teenager bleeding from a bullet wound to the neck during a brutal arrest early yesterday.

Moments after he was pulled from a mangled car wreck in Kings Cross, shocking footage shows police repeatedly striking Troy Taylor before dragging his limp body across the street.

An officer then places a knee on the teen's blood-soaked back to handcuff him.

The 18-year-old, one of two teenagers shot by police during a dramatic chase, is then left lying in a pool of blood as dozens of stunned bystanders look on.

The teenagers, one just 14, were in a serious condition in St Vincent's Hospital last night.

The shocking ordeal began about 4am when police confronted a car carrying a group of six boys and young men on Darlinghurst Rd, Kings Cross, just metres from the famous Coke sign.

As the driver tried to escape, he drove the car along the pavement, packed with pedestrians, narrowly missing several people before hitting a 29-year-old woman.

Police opened fire on the car, hitting the driver twice, in the chest and arm, while Troy Taylor was hit in the neck.

Assistant Commissioner Mark Murdoch said "people literally jumped for their lives".


"That vehicle struck a female pedestrian (who) was pushed under the front of the vehicle ... she was pinned under the car.

"In an attempt to protect that person, police discharged a number of shots.

"Whether that decision turned out to be the right decision is a matter for the critical investigation team."


The pedestrian was taken to hospital suffering chest injuries but was released yesterday afternoon.
Mr Murdoch said the situation was an "absolute tragedy" but the alleged actions of the driver posed a serious threat to the public.

"No one likes to see this sort of thing happen, particularly in such a public area," Mr Murdoch said.

"It posed a significant danger, a real significant danger, to the many pedestrians on the footpath at the time."

Aboriginal elder Mick Mundine was horrified by the shooting, and by the subsequent use of force, describing it as unnecessary "police brutality" but he also stressed - to quell indigenous community anger at police - that the incident happened at Kings Cross, and was not related to Redfern.

Four of the young men were late yesterday charged with being carried in a conveyance. Three will face Parramatta Bail Court today and the fourth youth will appear in Bidura Childrens Court in May.

An investigation has been launched into the use of the police weapons.

A witness, Sam Foy, said he heard six shots fired at the car. "My mate had to jump out of the way (of the car)," Mr Foy told The Sunday Telegraph.

"I heard at least six shots fired," he added.

Another witness, Victor Poliansky, 21, described the situation as extremely confronting. "I saw him getting dragged out of the car (and) the police officer started unleashing on him - he'd already surrendered," he said.

Yesterday Redfern police commander, Superintendent Luke Freudenstein was liaising with Aboriginal community leaders in order to quell tensions and concerns over potential reprisals.
Mr Mundine said there were fears for the teen's survival.

"The bullet nicked his heart and went into his lung," he said. "They cut a bit of the lung because it was so bad. He is still not out of the woods."

Homicide Squad police were yesterday on standby in case the matter developed further.

The beginning is to shaky and starts to late in the action to make a decision.
Looks like they may have been rough, but there is no context, why was it happening, and how did the guy get on the ground in the first place.

they dragged him out of a car,   and he was still resisting arrest   

there are a few up in arms with how the police treated him  had a big protest today in Sydney over it..

As with Rodney King, we saw the cops pummeling him, we did not hear about the Sheriffs Deputy who wanted to shoot him.

lol really i did not hear about that.

[philw]

language  warning

here is a different angle of what happened

this is un edited version  ( not what the media are using )

[tombogan03884]

I'd have to say that it depends on the specific rules the Cops are subject to in the use of force.

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[philw]

I'd have to say that it depends on the specific rules the Cops are subject to in the use of force.

no issues for that

however the civle libs,  the greens and the aboriginal cominity don't agree

look at the comments from the protest.

http://www.news.com.au/national/youth-no-stranger-to-police-or-courts-teen-joyriders-long-criminal-history/story-e6frfkvr-1226336629317

ABOUT 150 people, some of them teenagers, have yelled abuse at police outside NSW parliament in protest at the shooting of two youths at Kings Cross.
Aboriginal elders urged calm, as a crowd of about 150 people began chanting "F*** the police” at the protest.
The crowd, many of them children(it was a school day), held the protest outside NSW Parliament this afternoon, and accused police of "trying to kill black kids".
Among the crowd was world champion boxer Anthony Mundine, who said the shooting was "brutality at its best", and he and other protesters were looking for justice.
Some of the teenagers were seen drinking alcohol,( no surprise there they were not at school to start with) and the crowd has blocked off one lane of Macquarie Street.
Police shot at a car driven by juveniles at 4am on Saturday, after they mounted a kerb in Kings Cross and ran down a pedestrian.
The driver of the car was allegedly Troy Taylor, 17, and video footage released after the incident shows he was punched by NSW Police after being pulled out of the stolen car.
Troy is currently in a coma.
His friends Tore and Jordan were at the protest.
"One of our boys got shot by police, bashed, assaulted, and dragged across the ground for nothing. He surrendered to police and he still got attacked," Tore said. ( um so steeling a car, while drunk and stoned  then driving it in to a crowd and hitting 2 people is noting is it.. )
"It makes me cry, it makes me disgusted ... if we lost one of the boys it would have started trouble with police."
Greens MP David Shoebridge told protestors that violent language wasn't going to get results, and urged the NSW government to hold an independent investigation into the matter.
'Straight-out racism'
Douglas Martin, a 16-year-old who knew the boys shot by police, said the officers should be punished.
"You got a reason to hate the coppers, you know, when you're a young kid. But this crosses the line. (It's) straight-out racism," the angry teenager said.  ( how is it racism I would bet the cops would of done the same thing no matter who it was stop pulling the race card.. )
"I want them to get punished. Treat them the same as normal citizens. Just because they're coppers, that's just a ... uniform, that's just a name.
"Treat them the same as us. Why can't they get sent to jail for shooting someone?"
Police have defended the officers' action and promised a thorough, unbiased inquiry into the incident.
But Raul Bassi from the ISJA said the practice of police investigating police had to stop.
"We can't be witnesses to this without any action," he said.
Clinging to life

Meanwhile, it was revealed the teenage Aboriginal boy in a coma after being shot by officers has been in trouble with police since he was eight.
The Mt Druitt 14-year-old, who was yesterday clinging to life with multiple gunshot wounds, has a criminal history which includes multiple car thefts.
Police said the boy, who cannot be named, was behind the wheel of a stolen Honda sedan which mounted a footpath in Sydney's notorious nightclub strip early on Saturday, pinning a 29-year-old woman under the car.
Officers then opened fire, hitting the young driver in the chest and arm, and hitting a 17-year-old male passenger in the neck. Insiders yesterday said the 14-year-old had been dealt with under the Young Offenders Act on numerous occasions.
"He's been in trouble since he was eight," a police source said.
Cannabis and a drink before joyride
The revelation came as Redfern elder Mick Mundine said he feared people seeking justice for the teenagers would incite violence.
Mr Mundine admitted he was worried about a repeat of the revenge riots in Redfern after the death of TJ Hickey if people took matters into their own hands.
"We need to get these two boys better. Senior police are doing their investigation and we need to let that happen," Mr Mundine said.
"We need to do this the right way, for the sake of those two boys."
Police allege that, just hours before the Kings Cross incident, the car the teen was driving had been stolen from a street in Dharruk, in western Sydney. It was then driven to the city and stopped only when police opened fire on the car.
Last night, one of the two women mowed down said she was lucky to be alive. "I do remember being hit and then the car kept going and then I rebounded somehow," she told Channel 9, insisting on anonymity.
"Out of nowhere the car mounted the footpath and we were trying to get out of the way.
"(I'm feeling) shock I guess as to how I'm still here."
Footage of the incident appears to show one of the officers dragging the 17-year-old from the car before striking and arresting him.
A critical incident investigation has been formed to look into the actions of police on the day of the shooting - while the professional standards unit is assessing the conduct of the officers involved in arresting the teens.
Assistant Commissioner Mark Murdoch said the NSW Ombudsman would monitor the investigations.
Greens justice spokesman David Shoebridge said footage of the incident raised "serious and legitimate questions about police conduct".
no it dose not  the person was resisting,

[tombogan03884]

If you had exterminated your Abo's like we tried to do you would not have these problems.
It's never to late for a good idea.

[sledgemeister]

If you had exterminated your Abo's like we tried to do you would not have these problems.
It's never to late for a good idea.

Tasmania did, now we have pretend abo's or as I call them Wabo's (white abos) riding the gravy train living off the working folk because their great uncles cousin married a woman that looked at a black fella.

[philw]

Tasmania did, now we have pretend abo's or as I call them Wabo's (white abos) riding the gravy train living off the working folk because their great uncles cousin married a woman that looked at a black fella.

Lol. 

From memory I don't think there are any full bloods left they are all half casts
Then again I guess they want us to Give them a break !  They're still trying to cope with the "Invasion" (1788 a.d.)!  Some of those Youths were quite traumatised by it and they still need time to get fully over it.  One of them had his boomerang broken!!

You can't expect the parents to control them. The parents are, themselves, still trying to get over the "Invasion". Add to that, the broken boomerang and there's a problem.

You can't expect the Courts to control them either.  The Courts are, themselves, still operating as if there had been an "Invasion".

You've got to understand that when you get invaded by three blokes and a musket it's a very traumatising event."


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