The Importance Of Staying Fit

[fightingquaker13]

Okay, official drift here..
I was in from 86 to 92. I saw the beginnings of the transition from self contained to contractors for food, logistics and that kind of thing..
Personally, I think it's better to have "Soldiers" do all of it, but I understand that many will disagree.
(I think alot of Rumsfeld, but I disagree with him on this one..)
Who thinks the old way was better?
Who thinks the new way is better?
I'll leave the "why or why not" to your own discretion..
Any bites?

Here's one. I think Rumsfeld was the worst Sec. Def. since McNamara. You don't put people in mission critical combat support positions if you can't court martial them. If Halliburton or KBR employees don't show up, the worst you can do is fire them. If they are Army, they'll be looking at Leavenworth, and so keep going since they know they have to keep their oath.  Its a a money saver in peacetime but suicide when the bullets are incoming and the troops need supplies. Plus, it drains our ranks. A sergeant making $35K can make $60K working for KBR doing the same job? On what planet would he or she re-up?

[tombogan03884]

Here's one. I think Rumsfeld was the worst Sec. Def. since McNamara. You don't put people in mission critical combat support positions if you can't court martial them. If Halliburton or KBR employees don't show up, the worst you can do is fire them. If they are Army, they'll be looking at Leavenworth, and so keep going since they know they have to keep their oath.  Its a a money saver in peacetime but suicide when the bullets are incoming and the troops need supplies. Plus, it drains our ranks. A sergeant making $35K can make $60K working for KBR doing the same job? On what planet would he or she re-up?

Of course you do.
You're a liberal academic with no real world experience to base your uninformed opinion on.

[fightingquaker13]

Of course you do.
You're a liberal academic with no real world experience to base your uninformed opinion on.

Well then you inform me Marine. Who do you trust to bring you your supplies when the STHF (think Battle of the Bulge or the Choisin Resevoir), a contrator or a fellow Marine? Ball's in your court Tom.

[RTFM]

I agree with GQ - if your in the position that dictates physical fitness - don't be a lard ass.... nothing more appealing than seeing a group out looking for a lost family than some fat ass LEO leaning against command car 1 so fat he can't tuck a shirt in - how in the hell would he be able to get it done on foot if he ever had to....


Back on topic.

http://www.crossfit.com/

Cross Fit - started when a few guys realized that the typically gym routine did nothing for "real life" physical fitness - basic premise could I scoop up my 11 year old daughter and get the hell outta' Dodge in a reasonable manner - caring a load.
 or the wife - or things the family needed to bug - allowing hem to just take themselves.

Real fitness for the real world

[tombogan03884]

Well then you inform me Marine. Who do you trust to bring you your supplies when the STHF (think Battle of the Bulge or the Choisin Resevoir), a contrator or a fellow Marine? Ball's in your court Tom.

If you knew half the history you think you do you would know that the people who administered our WWII supply system were directly  from the civilian logistics industry.
Just like the construction industry supplied the personnel for the Sea Bee's.

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