Tower 7

[blackwolfe]

First, I don't believe that the tower 7 collapse was the result of any kind of conspiracy.  If you have ever watched a TV program or read anything about implosion demolition you'll learn that a huge amount of engineering, planning and preperation goes into the demolition.  Internal structual members are removed or strategically cut and weakened so they give in a controlled manner during the implosion.  This preperation takes weeks.  Heat also changes the metalurgy of the metal componets.  Think about heat treating.  In a controlled manner it strenthens steel.  If not done properly disaster can result.  When I was a kid way back when I'd camp out with my friend on the back of their family farm.  We would routinely "burn" our tin cans in the camp fire.  The cans would essetially turn in to paper thin shells that we would stir into the ashes.  I have also ruined a good meal on a charcoal grill fire when the grease from the meat flared up and melted the heavy duty aluminim foil the food was in.  Neither of these fires were probably as hot as the fire at tower 7.  Granted, the metal in these examples was not as heavy as the steel in tower 7.

Second, as far as the single bullet theroy goes, the 6.5 mm bullets as in the 6.5x52 Carcano or the 6.5x55mm Swedish Mauser are legandary for their penetrating ability.  The relatively long and heavy bullets belie their paper ballistics.  The 6.5x52 Cacano bullet that wounded Kennedy and Connally was a 160 grain full metal jacket bullet.  Most theories I'v read that try to debunk the single bullet theroy assume that the bullet always travel a straight path and does not deflect or yaw at all.  Bullets can be easilly deflected by twigs, clothing, notebooks in a shirt pocket. car keys etc.  It was on the news yesterday that a kid in the Detroit area was shot in the mouth and was saved by his braces, but he did lose his front teeth.  I had a friend a few years ago that shot a deer with a 6.5mm 140 grain Swedish Mauser.  It was a quartering shot and the deer dropped in it's tracks.  When he walked over to claim his buck, he was surprised to find a second deer about 10 feet behind the first that had also dropped in it's tracks.  The bullet had gone completely through both deer.  It looked as if the bullet went through the second deer sideways as it had been deflected.

Third,  I've heard some say that one of the first U.S. victims of Middle East terrorist was Bobby Kennedy by Sirhan Sirhan.  Now that is one conspiracy I might be able to believe in.

[tombogan03884]

Even the Govt admits that Sirhan Sirhan had his brain messed with as opposed to BEING messed up like Hinkley.

[blackwolfe]

I forgot to mention that Oswald was ex Marine and had at one time shot at the sharpshooter qualification level.  The three shots were taken at175, 240, and 265 feet.  Easily doable at a slow moving taget moving basically away from the shooter.

[tombogan03884]

I forgot to mention that Oswald was ex Marine and had at one time shot at the sharpshooter qualification level.  The three shots were taken at175, 240, and 265 feet.  Easily doable at a slow moving taget moving basically away from the shooter.

Charles Whitman was a Marine as well. (the Texas Tower sniper) those two are pointed to with pride by Marksmanship Instructors, because they made difficult shots. BUT, Oswald shot Sharpshooter with a semi Auto M - 1 Garand , or carbine, maybe both. The rifle that ALLEGEDLY killed Kennedy was a bolt action. He would have been significantly slower, he was not a hunter, or country boy, the majority of his firearms experience was at the range, as  a Signals intelligence guy he did not spend great amounts of time shooting, but when he did , it was with a semi auto. So he would have been much slower with a bolt gun.
As for "Easily doable"? Shooting down at about 45 degrees at a moving target 150 - 250 yards away, wind, glare. not so easy

[blackwolfe]

Tom,  I probably shoudn't have said EASILY doable.  Oswald did use the M-1 semi auto Garand rifle as opposed to a bolt action, but he aslo qualified at 200 yards.  It is believed the shots in Dallas were 175, 240, and 265 FEET, all under 100 yards.  Not sure what the downward angle was. I've heard figures from 22 degrees to 65 degrees.  I'm not a scholar of the Kennedy assasination, but I have read some.  The biggest problem is trying to sort out known facts from all the other stuff that has been repeated over the years.  I just personnaly believe the shots were within Oswalds capability.

Now Charles Joseph Whitman in the Texas Tower was a shooter.  I did read a book on him some time ago.  If I remember correctly he had a foot locker full of weapons and gear that he dragged up there with him.  He killed several people getting to the observation deck as well as his wife and mother the night before.  If I remember correctly his main weapon during the spree from the tower was a 6mm and one shot was around 600 yards.

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[tombogan03884]

Tom,  I probably shoudn't have said EASILY doable.  Oswald did use the M-1 semi auto Garand rifle as opposed to a bolt action, but he aslo qualified at 200 yards.  It is believed the shots in Dallas were 175, 240, and 265 FEET, all under 100 yards.  Not sure what the downward angle was. I've heard figures from 22 degrees to 65 degrees.  I'm not a scholar of the Kennedy assasination, but I have read some.  The biggest problem is trying to sort out known facts from all the other stuff that has been repeated over the years.  I just personnaly believe the shots were within Oswalds capability.

Now Charles Joseph Whitman in the Texas Tower was a shooter.  I did read a book on him some time ago.  If I remember correctly he had a foot locker full of weapons and gear that he dragged up there with him.  He killed several people getting to the observation deck as well as his wife and mother the night before.  If I remember correctly his main weapon during the spree from the tower was a 6mm and one shot was around 600 yards.

FEET ? Just goes to show, sometimes we see what we expect not whats really there I would have sworn your post said YARDS. When I checked back, no, it says feet. Actually if Oswald qualified on a standard Known distance range (most likely as he was in a support type MOS) He fired out to 500 yards. I'm not really disagreeing with you, I only read a couple books about the assassination years ago, I'm just trying to play devils advocate. My own opinion is that JFK was killed by either the Mafia or Cubans hijacking another anti Castro attempt.
Whitman, yes, Good shooting, out to 600 yards. And Police had nothing to do with taking him, it was "Good ole Boys" who had their deer and Varmint rifles in their vehicles. The gave covering fire for ambulance crews and THEY were the ones who killed him. The first COPS up the Tower reported he was already dead, shot by one of the civilians.

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