Author Topic: Unneccessary Force in South Georgia?  (Read 11559 times)

tombogan03884

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Re: Unneccessary Force in South Georgia
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2008, 07:34:52 AM »
Your point being...?

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Re: Unneccessary Force in South Georgia
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2008, 07:52:27 AM »
Not all lives have value. Some are just a waste of sperm.

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tombogan03884

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Re: Unneccessary Force in South Georgia
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2008, 08:11:28 AM »
I thank the Lord that I do not believe in Him.

I'm not sure I understand your meaning ?

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Re: Unneccessary Force in South Georgia
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2008, 08:13:48 AM »
I'm not sure I understand your meaning ?

I recall hearing you say you are a church going person, Tom. I cannot help but wonder, what He would have to say to your comment.

As for me, all I can say is that it is totally out of line and uncalled for.

Ocin.
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Re: Unneccessary Force in South Georgia
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2008, 09:41:28 AM »
What I don't understand is how a victim is supposed to know the intentions of a criminal before it is too late. What the Bad Guy may do during a crime changes with opportunity. That reality is the rationale for the Castle Doctrine, and valid in my opinion.
 


Exactly.

The law in most states runs contrary to long established precepts of common law that date back to the Middle Ages and before.

Before it was labeled "castle doctrine" precepts of self defense  were embodied in various doctrines known as  "provocative acts" or "fighting words" among others.

Your grandfather and certainly your great grandfather were familar with the concepts in one form or other.

When a burglar or mugger initiate a sequence of events, they, the burglar or mugger are responsible for all that follows up to and including their own death or the death of others.

The trouble starts when "some people" do not want "other people" to be able to avail themselves of the benefits of these precepts.

Thus when a Jim Crowe era lynch mob chased a victim down for extra judicial proceedings the members of the mob did not want to run
the risk of a charge of "provocative acts" when one of their members was shot by the intended victim. So they passed possession laws or prohibitions against use etc. intended to apply to certain people.

Hence, the racist or class related roots of most modern gun control.  The mob members had no thought the laws they initiated would one day apply to their children or grandchildren.

Jane Fonda and her husband of the time Tom Hayden both owned pistols because they honestly believed gun control law only applied to "the little people'.

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Re: Unneccessary Force in South Georgia?
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Re: Unneccessary Force in South Georgia
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2008, 09:43:46 AM »
Your point being...?

Okay, we are done. There are plenty of other people on this board you can inflict with your disingenous outlook.

tombogan03884

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Re: Unneccessary Force in South Georgia
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2008, 12:56:57 PM »
I recall hearing you say you are a church going person, Tom. I cannot help but wonder, what He would have to say to your comment.

As for me, all I can say is that it is totally out of line and uncalled for.

Ocin.

Not exactly, I believe in a Supreme being, I do not have much faith in "Organized " religions. Ocin, I can tell you what "He" would say about my comment. "Crudely stated, but in line with the Bible quote that  "Now is the time to buy a sword"

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Re: Unneccessary Force in South Georgia
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2008, 01:18:26 PM »
I understand the law in most States regarding (non)use of deadly force to protect property. What I don't understand is how a victim is supposed to know the intentions of a criminal before it is too late. What the Bad Guy may do during a crime changes with opportunity. That reality is the rationale for the Castle Doctrine, and valid in my opinion.

As if to prove this very point:

A day after the very shooting that I posted about in the beginning of this thred, in another town (Valdosta, Ga.) just south of my location, a man entered a convenience store and approached the clerk at the counter. On the store video the police said that you could see the clerk raise his hands to the surrender position (the other man seemingly had announced his intention to rob the store?), then the suspect, seemingly without provocation, shoots the clerk 4 times. The suspect reaches into the register and takes the money and turns and goes outside. He then returns inside, steps over the lifeless body of the clerk, and grabs a couple of cartons of cigarettes and leaves.
As a side note, the suspect was captured later this past week in Florida and was found to be suspected in another murder.

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?s=8763575
http://www.walb.com/global/story.asp?s=8775317

This really validates the point DDMack made in the above quote.
You don't know what's going on in the criminal's mind.
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Re: Unneccessary Force in South Georgia
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2008, 01:51:11 PM »
The original post related to the arrest of a man who shot an allegedly fleeing vehicle break-in suspect. I have been looking for the darned Raleigh article from last week, but if I may recount from memory: Raleigh police arrested a total of 5 men on multiple counts of car break-ins in the Raleigh and Durham, NC area. Two were caught, followed by the arrest of three more. During one of the early strings of car break- ins, a vehicle owner saw the crime occur and hollered at the suspect, at which time the suspect shot at the car owner as he ran away.
Just because the crime appears to be minor does not mean the suspect is not prepared to kill to escape. Point being, intervene armed and from cover, or stay in stealth mode and dial 911.
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