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Re: glock + tactical light= failure.
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2009, 01:04:18 AM »
It occured to me that having a light on the gun instead of in your other hand forces you to sweep your muzzle across everyone before you identify them as family, friend, or foe. I don't like people pointing guns at me.

As to the .40 vs. 45 issue, .45 ACP cases were made with a large capactity to hold the bulky powder of a century ago. With modern powders you can fill them way up before they get to .40 S&W pressure levels. And if you load regular .45 bullets in suitably strong cases to about the same pressure levels as a .40 caliber you can get over 800 ft/lbs ME and have .44 Magnum performance in a M1911.
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Re: glock + tactical light= failure.
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2009, 01:31:20 PM »
Well....  once again I disagree with this hooplah..about Glock's and tatical lights. Is there something to it? Really? Is it a certain type of light?...  I dunno. I do know that I've shot my G23 (that's right .40 cal) with the standard Glock tatical light well over 1500rds without a single jam, malfunction or hi-cup. Maybe I'm the only one in America that has Glocks that work like they are suppost to. I dunno..  I shoot my G23 and my G27 a lot and amazing they run flawlessly. And as far as recoil.. at least out of polymer .45's, like the H&K for example, the .40 ain't any worse. I'll try to do even more research and evaluation with my tatical light or others if I can get more ammo.. after trying to buy everything I can before BHO gets started  :(. And the only other thing that comes to mind would be if someone was shooting some of the very first Glocks to have lightrails cut in them. Perhaps,  they were cut at a time before the deminsions of what most light companys are using now. Even though I have shot the crap out of all my Glocks (yes mostly .40's too) they are mostly all the newer.. Glock models.. only 2-4 years old.   
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Re: glock + tactical light= failure.
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2009, 01:36:58 PM »
Quote from: HAWKFISH on January 08, 2009, 01:31:20 PM
Well....  once again I disagree with this hooplah..about Glock's and tatical lights. Is there something to it? Really? Is it a certain type of light?...  I dunno. I do know that I've shot my G23 (that's right .40 cal) with the standard Glock tatical light well over 1500rds without a single jam, malfunction or hi-cup. Maybe I'm the only one in America that has Glocks that work like they are suppost to. I dunno..  I shoot my G23 and my G27 a lot and amazing they run flawlessly. And as far as recoil.. at least out of polymer .45's, like the H&K for example, the .40 ain't any worse. I'll try to do even more research and evaluation with my tatical light or others if I can get more ammo.. after trying to buy everything I can before BHO gets started  :(. And the only other thing that comes to mind would be if someone was shooting some of the very first Glocks to have lightrails cut in them. Perhaps,  they were cut at a time before the deminsions of what most light companys are using now. Even though I have shot the crap out of all my Glocks (yes mostly .40's too) they are mostly all the newer.. Glock models.. only 2-4 years old.   


yes we know, glocks are perfect.   ::)   the thread I got that link form has several other links in it( its on THR, should not be hard to find), all reporting simlar probs and from all over the place.  Including glock forums.   So i'd say there is something going on with them.  It could be something like  how the wieght of the light changes the balance point and its a grip  issuse, then again it could be frame issue.  it does not really matter what is cuasing it, just that it is happening.
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Re: glock + tactical light= failure.
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2009, 01:54:56 PM »
Tab, maybe you are right. But, I can assure you that my Glocks have not have any issues thus far. And I know of a few police officers and military people that have used tatical lights mounted to their Glocks while they were shooting them. Fortunately, they survived because their Glocks did work while the tatical light was attached. Maybe they got lucky too. I dunno. But, I appreciate your willingness to report any issue what so ever if it pertains to Glock. Keep up the good work.  ::) And the next time I go gun shopping ... I'll buy a Glock just for you, only I'll keep it because I know the truth. Dang that coolaid tastes good!  :P
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Re: glock + tactical light= failure.
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2009, 02:12:14 PM »
I've never had any failure to feed with or without a light on my 22. I've had my own personal failure to insert the magazine properly during competition a couple of times, but that was all on me. I don't know if these people are having a problem that is a design flaw or a user error, but it seems that the design of the rails would somewhat hamper any flexing of the frame that some are stating as necessary.

I also have a 23 that I've had since 92 or 93. It has no rails, but it has eaten a lot (I mean mega-buckets) of ammo and has never had a single problem. I did however recently replace the recoil spring assembly, but only because I wanted to use the captured assembly. That 23 truly is "perfect."
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Re: glock + tactical light= failure.
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Re: glock + tactical light= failure.
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2009, 04:57:33 PM »
Figures. A quick search on the 10-8 forums tells us that these Glock 22 problems are WELL documented. Apparently Glock hasn't been able to resolve the problem.
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Re: glock + tactical light= failure.
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2009, 06:57:53 PM »
From what I read the problem is mostly with bigger non-Glock lights that people buy because they say the Glock lights are wimpy little pieces of crap. I haven't seen a Glock light next to another brand so I can't compare the size and weight. I wonder why none of my dealers seem to carry the Glock lights? Anyway, if that many Glock owners have a problem then it has to be the gun that's messed up, not the people. The solution is simple. Trade the .40 in for a .45 or 9mm Glock. Problem solved.
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Re: glock + tactical light= failure.
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2009, 01:42:38 AM »
Quote from: HAWKFISH on January 08, 2009, 01:54:56 PM
Tab, maybe you are right. But, I can assure you that my Glocks have not have any issues thus far. And I know of a few police officers and military people that have used tatical lights mounted to their Glocks while they were shooting them. Fortunately, they survived because their Glocks did work while the tatical light was attached. Maybe they got lucky too. I dunno. But, I appreciate your willingness to report any issue what so ever if it pertains to Glock. Keep up the good work.  ::) And the next time I go gun shopping ... I'll buy a Glock just for you, only I'll keep it because I know the truth. Dang that coolaid tastes good!  :P

Did you read the posts that he linked to ? There were a lot of them but they all seemed to focus on a fairly small number of models. Also, somewhere, either earlier in this thread or in one of those posts a Glock Armorer posted with a reasonable (to me) sounding explanation of what was happening and why and I believe he narrowed it down to a particular range of serial numbers. It does not matter how perfect Gaston's design is or isn't if the guy mixing the plastic was hung over one day.
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Re: glock + tactical light= failure.
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2009, 04:09:31 AM »
Quote from: tombogan03884 on January 09, 2009, 01:42:38 AM
Did you read the posts that he linked to ? There were a lot of them but they all seemed to focus on a fairly small number of models. Also, somewhere, either earlier in this thread or in one of those posts a Glock Armorer posted with a reasonable (to me) sounding explanation of what was happening and why and I believe he narrowed it down to a particular range of serial numbers. It does not matter how perfect Gaston's design is or isn't if the guy mixing the plastic was hung over one day.
What were the serial numbers that were mentioned? I haven't had any issues, but I'm curious. I ran the Glocks through a few hundred rounds tonight with no problems. I'll be getting rid of a few Berettas though. More Glocks please!
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Re: glock + tactical light= failure.
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2009, 12:21:29 PM »
Quote from: Fuzdaddy on January 09, 2009, 04:09:31 AM
What were the serial numbers that were mentioned? I haven't had any issues, but I'm curious. I ran the Glocks through a few hundred rounds tonight with no problems. I'll be getting rid of a few Berettas though. More Glocks please!

I don't remember the number range, you would have to check through the referenced posts at the link.
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