Paying taxes is voluntary?

[bryand71]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7mRSI8yWwg

  Can you beleve the gonads on this SOB! What a crock. This is why we need to throw these bums out on the street and get some people who actually give two S**ts about the everyday taxpayer and the country into office. I am so sick of hearing these lame a*ses make excuses and then turn around and tell me how I should live my life and spend my money.

Rant done.

[alfsauve]

Not to defend Harry Reid, but the word "voluntary" has been used for a long time in accounting/tax demagoguery with a meaning other than "optional".   It is a rather poor use of the word.  It's trying to convey that our system of income tax is rather different than most other countries.  The term should only be used between Tax PhD's.

I'm tickled to see Harry Reid get tripped up trying to use/explain it to the general public.

Go Jan Helfield.  Sickem sickem.  Woof woof woof

[twyacht]

I'll just take the BHO cabinet approach to taxes,... Like our new Tres. Sec.

I thought it was voluntary,..... "I'm sorry",.....

[Rastus]

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007707130321

Local attorney acquitted on federal income tax charges
Cryer stopped filing income taxes more than 10 years ago
By Loresha Wilson • ljwilson@gannett.com • July 13, 2007 2:00 am

A Shreveport attorney who has challenged the government for years on the legality of filing federal income taxes has been acquitted on charges he failed to file returns.

A federal jury unanimously found Tommy Cryer not guilty this week on two misdemeanor counts of failure to file.

And according to Cryer, the prosecution dismissed two felony charges of tax evasion prior to trial.

Attempts by The Times on Thursday to reach U.S. Attorney Donald Washington or Bill Flanagan, first assistant U.S. attorney, were not successful. Calls made to the two were not immediately returned.

"The court could not find a law that makes me liable or makes my revenues taxable," Cryer said. "The Supreme Court has ruled that the government cannot impose an income tax on anything but the profits and gains. When you work for someone you give your service and labor in exchange for money, so everything you make is not profit or gain. You put something into it."

Cryer was indicted last year on two counts of tax evasion. The indictment alleged he evaded payment of $73,000 in income tax to the Internal Revenue Service during 2000 and 2001.

Cryer created a trust listing himself as the trustee, and received payments of dividends, interest and stock income to that trust, according to the indictment. He also was accused of concealing his receipt of the sources of income from the IRS by failing to file a tax return on behalf of that trust.

"I determined that my personal earnings were not 100 percent profits, some were income," Cryer said. "I refuse to file, I refuse to pay unless they can show me I have a lawful reason to pay."

"What I earned was my own personal labor. I am giving something in exchange. I'm giving my property and I don't belong to anyone else."

Cryer says he stopped filing returns more than 10 years ago after he investigated claims that income tax was a sham. He contends the law doesn't actually tax personal earning.

[runstowin]

Identifying oneself as a tax payer is voluntary, if one for example fills out a w-4 form, one is telling the IRS that they are a tax payer, the IRS will simply take your word for it. Once a person informs the IRS that they are a tax payer, they are now subject to all of the rules, regulations, laws etc. that pertain to tax payers, which includes paying the income tax.

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[Thanos]

Re: Paying taxes is voluntary?

Yeah, ask Wesly Snipes.

[warhawke]

In fact, yes, the IRS code specifically says that payment is voluntary. If you watch the movie "Freedom to Fascism" you will see a former head of the IRS telling us that stopping for a red light is voluntary as well (a common tactic). Several people have been exonerated by juries for failure to pay. Likewise "Income" has been define by the "Supreme Court" as 'Profit from corporate activity', while the IRS defines it as 'Income from any source derived' which any English teacher on the planet will tell you is not a definition as you cannot define a thing as itself. It's like saying a dog is 'any dog with four legs' or a car is 'any car with four wheels', it is nonsense. The key is, of course, the IRS has used fear and intimidation against generations of Americans to convince us that they are the masters and we the surfs. Hell, a few years ago the IRS walked into a daycare center in Allen Park MI (a few miles from my parents house) and kicked the staff out and demanded the parents pay their outstanding bill, ON THE SPOT, before they could have their children. It was kidnapping, pure and simple, but it barely got mentioned in the media.

I pay the IRS for the same reason the shopkeeper on Canal street pays the Mob, not because I owe the money, but because they can destroy me if I don't.

[runstowin]

In fact, yes, the IRS code specifically says that payment is voluntary. If you watch the movie "Freedom to Fascism" you will see a former head of the IRS telling us that stopping for a red light is voluntary as well (a common tactic). Several people have been exonerated by juries for failure to pay. Likewise "Income" has been define by the "Supreme Court" as 'Profit from corporate activity', while the IRS defines it as 'Income from any source derived' which any English teacher on the planet will tell you is not a definition as you cannot define a thing as itself. It's like saying a dog is 'any dog with four legs' or a car is 'any car with four wheels', it is nonsense. The key is, of course, the IRS has used fear and intimidation against generations of Americans to convince us that they are the masters and we the surfs. Hell, a few years ago the IRS walked into a daycare center in Allen Park MI (a few miles from my parents house) and kicked the staff out and demanded the parents pay their outstanding bill, ON THE SPOT, before they could have their children. It was kidnapping, pure and simple, but it barely got mentioned in the media.

I pay the IRS for the same reason the shopkeeper on Canal street pays the Mob, not because I owe the money, but because they can destroy me if I don't.

Once a person identifies themselves as a tax payer, they agree to all of the gobbledygook language in the IRS code pertaining to tax payers.