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Case against AZ gun store owner dismissed.
« on: March 20, 2009, 11:03:20 AM »
Some good comments on the story as well.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123750753535390327.html#articleTabs%3Darticle

An Arizona court on Wednesday dismissed the case against a gun-store owner accused of looking the other way while front men purchased weapons to deliver to Mexico's drug cartels.

The trial, which began earlier this month, had been heralded as an example of U.S. authorities working to stanch the flow of weapons to Mexico, where a recent war among drug gangs is believed to have killed more than 6,000 people.
At the heart of the case was the X-Caliber gun store, where prosecutors alleged more than 700 high-powered rifles were sold to purchasers whom the owner, 47-year-old George Iknadosian, should have known were acting as so-called straw buyers for Mexican customers. Sales of most weapons to non-U.S. citizens north of the border are severely constrained, as is gun possession by civilians in Mexico.

To get around those restrictions, Arizona officials alleged, Mr. Iknadosian allowed Arizonans with clean criminal records to buy weapons they would resell in Mexico, first by falsifying forms attesting that the firearms were for the purchasers' personal use. Witnesses in the case included several of these alleged straw buyers, who have pleaded guilty to charges that bring a penalty of up to 10 years imprisonment.

Yet in dismissing the 21 counts against Mr. Iknadosian, Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Robert Gottsfield ruled that the evidence prosecutors presented wasn't "material," and therefore didn't support charges against the defendant.

"The state's case is based upon testimony of individuals who [alleged]...that they were the actual purchaser of the firearms when they were not," Judge Gottsfield wrote. He then indicated that such testimony, by itself, failed to establish that any additional unlawful conduct transpired.

"There is no proof whatsoever that any prohibited possessor ended up with the firearm," the judge said.

To be considered "material," he explained, testimony about falsifying government forms must further demonstrate that the act "resulted in an unlawful person ending up with the guns, which has not been proven."
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, briefing reporters at the agency's Washington headquarters Wednesday, declined to comment on the ruling.

State and federal authorities, including a task force supervised by the Phoenix office of the U.S. Department of Justice's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, worked for 11 months with local police building a case against X-Caliber. According to law-enforcement officials in Phoenix, the investigation included sending undercover agents posing as buyers to Mr. Iknadosian's shop, where agents not only purchased weapons, but boasted of plans to resell them in Mexico.

Authorities also relentlessly publicized the link between X-Caliber and Mexican drug cartels by claiming weapons purchased in Mr. Iknadosian's store had been recovered at Mexican crime scenes. One special weapon -- a handgun inlaid with $35,000 worth of diamonds -- purportedly was captured late last year after the assassination of a top Mexican policeman.

"We are all taking this pretty hard," said Anne Hilby, spokeswoman for Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard. Mr. Goddard released a statement disagreeing with Judge Gottsfield's analysis of the case, adding, "We are reviewing the ruling to determine how best to respond."

Messages left for Mr. Iknadosian's attorney and at the defendant's home weren't returned.

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Re: Case against AZ gun store owner dismissed.
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2009, 12:01:10 PM »
I don't know what to say about this. If the guy was clean, good for him. On the other hand, we all know that straw`purchases are a real problem. If you can pay some idiot to carry your drugs, you can sure pay him to buy a gun. (Hell we all did it for beer when we were in college). The thing is that the gang bangers and crooked dealers are a greater threat to our 2A rights than all the Pelosis and Bradys put toghether. If the average citizen thinks that our system isn't working to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, then they will (rightly) demand tighter resrictions. This is why I support efforts to go after the bad dealers who would sell us all out for a few bucks. Sometimes the feds screw up, sometimes they get it right. I have no idea in this case, but I do know that if he were guilty, I'd be the first to applaud his imprisionment.
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Re: Case against AZ gun store owner dismissed.
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2009, 05:20:58 PM »
I don't know that straw purchases are a real problem.  I haven't seen evidence that it is significant.  Perhaps someone can cite meaningful statistics, they may be out there.  Why penalize gun owners if the "system" doesn't work to get gang bangers and "crooked" dealer's patrons off the street because of what they are as a criminal without guns?  Why must the gun be the mechanism to go after someone who is "obviously" guilty selling a gun as opposed to the slug who is into drug smuggling, murder, etc.  They go after the "source" of "guns" but did they go after the "bad guys" that purchased the guns? 

So someone please tell me, if all these people were buying guns illegally..why weren't they arrested?  Maybe even just one of them?

For the same reason the IRS doesn't go after people living and working on cash?  It's too hard and would cause the "enforcer" to actually do some work?

Take the easy route, maybe nail someone (one person) who may be knowingly breaking the law, but let hundreds (as alleged with 700 alleged bad gun purchases) bad guys walk the street.  Brag about stopping the crimes of hundreds when it's only one...take the public's eye off the ball.  That's nice...bust one guy who has a business, however legit or not, and let the alleged bad guys, who if they really did buy the guns as bad guys by the hundreds, walk the street. 

I would rather them let one potentially bad gun dealer skate as opposed to dozens or hundreds of bad guys who would be the ones who would slit your family's throat walk around unmolested.  The authorities may fool themselves and the public that one guy is of great value...and he may be....but the scores they don't even question are far more dangerous to our citizens than the one alleged bad gun dealer.  Why not get the real bad guys who they claim are buying the guns....too hard...too dangerous....what's up with letting them walk?
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2009, 09:32:53 PM »
 The most common culprits in the "Straw purchase" cases I've heard about have been Headline seeking office holders who get away with federal felonies. BLOOMBURG

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2009, 11:52:01 AM »
The most common culprits in the "Straw purchase" cases I've heard about have been Headline seeking office holders who get away with federal felonies. BLOOMBURG

Do you mean Michael Bloomberg? Mayor of NYC?


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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2009, 09:04:33 PM »
Do you mean Michael Bloomberg? Mayor of NYC?


YES ! The Felon who sent undercover thugs as far away as Ga. and NH to attempt Straw purchasese then he shook downthe store owners. ATF  told him not to do that any more. If it had been one of us we would have gone to prison for extortion, as well as the conspiracy and gun charges.

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2009, 09:14:21 PM »
The simple fact of the matter is that the Fed went after a dealer making a "legal sale" rather than going after the individuals making "illegal sales". This was all done to rationalize STRICTER GUN CONTROL. It was a show trial from the beginning.  They had to make up the crime and entrap the dealer. Why didn't they go after the guy who bought the diamond encrusted pistol? Wasn't he the one who commited the crime?

Has anyone asked why the US and Mexican governments don't use the serial numbers on captured weapons to track down the origonal owners? Could it be because the origonal owners are the US and Mexican governments?
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Re: Case against AZ gun store owner dismissed.
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2009, 09:21:15 PM »
The simple fact of the matter is that the Fed went after a dealer making a "legal sale" rather than going after the individuals making "illegal sales". This was all done to rationalize STRICTER GUN CONTROL. It was a show trial from the beginning.  They had to make up the crime and entrap the dealer. Why didn't they go after the guy who bought the diamond encrusted pistol? Wasn't he the one who commited the crime?

Has anyone asked why the US and Mexican governments don't use the serial numbers on captured weapons to track down the origonal owners? Could it be because the origonal owners are the US and Mexican governments?


Exactly, Mexico has been a synonym for corruption for over 100 years. They have had over 17,000 cops and soldiers desert to the cartels AND TAKE THEIR WEAPONS WITH THEM. You want to keep US made fire arms out of the hands of Mexican criminals, don't sell them to the Mexican Govt.

 

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