"n this case the 7th Circus court of appeals (Federal) has ruled that there is no self defense right. It will now go to the Supreme Court."
"The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals (Bowers v. DeVito, 1982) did not mince words when it ruled, “There is no Constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered by criminals or madmen.”"
I lost track of the thread and did not look at Haz's post again to see the context of these quotes, I'll also note that I don't recall where the 7th Circuit is, However that doesn't effect the point of my post which is this, There is no conflict here, while the first decision sucks it has nothing to do with the second.
The first decision specifically addresses (Incorrectly, even the UN recognizes the right to defense if you are not a white or male) The right to defend YOURSELF. while the second decision is in line with one handed down in Washington DC back in the 70's and used in our victory in the Heller case, that NO ONE ELSE has a Constitutional or legal obligation to defend you.
I would bet that the full context of the Bowers/Devito case was a LE Agency being sued on behalf of some one injured or killed by a criminal. The case in DC was ladies who were attacked and repeatedly raped and beaten by home invaders, They called 911 repeatedly police drove by but never came to the door. That case went to SCOTUS and it was ruled that they police have a specific duty to catch criminals, not to catch them in the act or to protect any individual.. Basically your on your own.
the first case says that taking that into account you can't do anything about it, to which I say BULLSH!T.