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Re: Fly the Flag Upside Down on the 4th
« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2009, 11:08:27 PM »
I didn't call out somebodies family member as yellow.


Neither did I.
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Re: Fly the Flag Upside Down on the 4th
« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2009, 01:06:02 AM »
Neither did I.

You may not have intended it that way, but that is how your reply came across. because I don't want to assume that you are part of the problem I'll rephrase it as simply as I can.

Free America today is about the same as the 70's USSR as far as representation in Govt, and justice system. In short, the elites don't care what you want, just listen to the state media and STFU.
America is no longer a free country and has not been since the late 60's earlier 70's, The Soviets had their "dictatorship of the Proletariat"
What used to be a Republic ruled by law has become the dictatorship of the talking heads, rather than law we are ruled by the latest media event.
We will have another Civil War soon, because the Obama's and the Pelosi's do not hold the power. Their strings are pulled by America hating globalists like George Soros, who is known to have dedicated BILLIONS of dollars of his own fortune into the establishment of on global socialist state.
In order to achieve that they need to separate the population from any other source of inspiration or relief, therefore, discredit religion, discredit Patriotism, discredit the normal family unit. In order to impose this they need a disarmed fearful populace, so they nibble away at gun rights while actually allowing crime to flourish with minimal sentencing, and probation for crimes up to and including rape and murder.
Do you know the REAL reason Timothy McViegh got a needle in his arm while those 2 women from the SLA got 5 years between them for bombings, bank robberies and killing an Oakland Cop ? Because McViegh was against the global socialist order, other wise he would have become a "cause celebre" to the liberal left and appeals and stays would have been filed on his behalf until hell froze over.

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Re: Fly the Flag Upside Down on the 4th
« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2009, 06:43:10 AM »
Even worse, they seem to be doing everything within their power to assure that America fails.

The mainstream media act as though they are embarrased to be living in the greatest nation on Earth. They apologise for our greatness (Oh yes, the media were doing it long before BHO's apology tour). They are the antithesis of Patriots. How dare they!!!

It's the Socialist motto of the day. Be ashamed of your success. If you profit from your hard work, well you are just plain evil. Repent and give all of your worldly goods to the poor and down troden. They certainly can't get it any other way (Like a honest day's work). This is the Socialist manefesto that they are not only applying to the individual but they are now applying to our entire nation, the most charitable nation on Earth. We give our money. We give our resources. We give our time. We give our life's blood, all while the mainstream media and the liberal elite sit in their ivory towers and condemn our greatness.

It is indeed time for a major change. If you feel it is necessary to apologise for living in the greatest nation in the history of man, maybe it's time for you to get the hell out. Continue to bad mouth America and many of us will be happy to forcefully toss you out on your elitist butts!!

Here endeth the rant.

Kid, it's worse than that. Most people make the mistake of thinking this is all accidental, or because people just haven't worked out how wrong they are, or even to a measure of ignorance or stupidity on people's part. And that is completely wrong.

In fact, it is planned. People like Saul Alinsky and that reference I noted the other day in the thread about Sara Palin (http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=7559.msg95235#msg95235) as well as dozens more - remember, Hitlery studied at Alinsky's knee and wrote her dissertation on his writings. People study this, work at it, and actively engage to destroy this country as the world's - and history's - greatest capitalistic society.

People are intentionally working to destroy this country as it has been, to turn it into a people's socialistic "paradise" as a astepping stone to economic "one world" socialist oligarchy. We are almost there in fact, with bho's annunciation. In Orwell's 1984, there was the Inner Party, the Outer Party, and the proles. The people doing this think - and in fact may be - Inner Party members, so they are well taken care of and that is all that matters to them - power, control (over others) and benefits.

Lenin called people who are clueless "useful idiots" because they will intentionally do things not in their own best interests simply because they have been convinced to do so. Not coerced or threatened, but because they want to.
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Re: Fly the Flag Upside Down on the 4th
« Reply #43 on: July 06, 2009, 09:11:58 AM »
You may not have intended it that way, but that is how your reply came across. because I don't want to assume that you are part of the problem I'll rephrase it as simply as I can.

Free America today is about the same as the 70's USSR as far as representation in Govt, and justice system. In short, the elites don't care what you want, just listen to the state media and STFU.
America is no longer a free country and has not been since the late 60's earlier 70's, The Soviets had their "dictatorship of the Proletariat"
What used to be a Republic ruled by law has become the dictatorship of the talking heads, rather than law we are ruled by the latest media event.
We will have another Civil War soon, because the Obama's and the Pelosi's do not hold the power. Their strings are pulled by America hating globalists like George Soros, who is known to have dedicated BILLIONS of dollars of his own fortune into the establishment of on global socialist state.
In order to achieve that they need to separate the population from any other source of inspiration or relief, therefore, discredit religion, discredit Patriotism, discredit the normal family unit. In order to impose this they need a disarmed fearful populace, so they nibble away at gun rights while actually allowing crime to flourish with minimal sentencing, and probation for crimes up to and including rape and murder.
Do you know the REAL reason Timothy McViegh got a needle in his arm while those 2 women from the SLA got 5 years between them for bombings, bank robberies and killing an Oakland Cop ? Because McViegh was against the global socialist order, other wise he would have become a "cause celebre" to the liberal left and appeals and stays would have been filed on his behalf until hell froze over.

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Re: Fly the Flag Upside Down on the 4th
« Reply #44 on: July 06, 2009, 10:57:06 AM »
 Communism, like the Muslim religion, is an ideology founded on the goal of world domination. According to their own writings, "All progressive nations are in one or another stage of socialism. they can only achieve Communism when the entire world has adopted socialism".
The infiltration of America began in the later 1800's with the labor Union movement, which is how Marxists successfully infiltrated European societies, a look through history will show that all countries socialist movements started with the organization of national Trade, and Labor unions, even in places like Vietnam, China, and Peru, were the revolution withdrew to rural areas, it initially started with urban union organizers.
In America we were lucky to forestall the advance because organized crime groups beat (literally) the socialists in the fight for union power. This defeat led America's socialists to fall back on their second choice of infiltrating the Main Stream Media with such apologists as Walter Durante of the New York Times. and the education system, with a plethora of leftist Professors. The next step was to infiltrate the halls of power which they accomplished between the world wars with direct Soviet assistance through legendary "Comintern", or Communist International, an allegedly independent, international, socialist organization that was known even at the time to be nothing more than an arm of the Soviet state security apparatus (Eventually known as the KGB) these ideologically inspired infiltrators had their greatest success in America during the FDR administration when the Depression and rising tensions with more Nationalistically oriented aggressors in Italy, Germany , and Japan led to the wide spread (by the already infiltrated media and Academia )myth that "Fascism" was a more serious and immediate threat than socialism, ( expansionist totalitarian states are an equal threat no matter what they are called, and ALL the "fascist" governments espoused and applied much of the socialist program ) This distraction allowed FDR to begin his program of radicalizing America through his socialist inspired "New Deal" policies which in the years since have been proven to have actually lengthened and worsened the depression with things like the previously unconstitutional graduated income tax, and the issuance of fake money no longer backed by any intrinsic value of gold or silver. He also allowed his administration to be over run with not only convinced socialists but actual Soviet agents, such as Laughlin Curry and Harry Dexter White.
Churchill in a post war speech in Fulton Mo. issued a wake up call to an America who's prosperous upper class was still enamored with "Uncle Joe" Stalin when he said "From Stettin on the Baltic to Trieste on the Adriatic, an Iron curtain has descended across the map of Europe ". Unfortunately this alarm, which triggered the so called "Red Scare" of the late 40's and 50's came to late to do more than slow the advance of American socialism.  Attempts to protect America, and reverse the erosion of our core values, such as the House UnAmerican Activities Committee (HUAC) were decried by so called "Agents of Influence" in the media and groups like the ACLU and an already heavily infiltrated Hollywood. When in entirely separate hearings Sen. Joseph McCarthy  claimed to have a list of 51 known communists working at the State Department and demanded to know why known security risks were given access to the upper echelons of Americas National Security organizations, He got no answers, instead he was vilified in the press, accused by the diversity loving left (ironicly enough by a known Homosexual ) of being a homosexual and accused (also falsely ) of being responsible for numerous deaths by suicide of "persecuted" witnesses, this was not a distortion it was another out right lie by the media and leftist members of an already infiltrated democratic party. In fact the only person involved who died by suicide or any other unnatural cause was one witness, a McCarthy supporter and source who, breaking under the stress of mud slinging and personal attacks in the press leapt from a rather high window. (For the record, investigations based on declassified code intercepts made against orders, and examination of contemporary Soviet records shows that the actual number of code named Soviet agents and sources in and around the administration was in fact not the 50 or 100 claimed by McCarthy, but 301,including Ethel and Julius {code name "Liberal"} Rosenberg who were executed for their part in the Atomic Bomb spy ring and like other traitors have since become a "Cause Celebre" in leftist circles) The Damage was done however and the creeping advance of Marxism was not to be stopped. During the 60's the Soviets allowed thier minions in academia and the media to be used to undermine our efforts against a brutal communist regime in Southeast Asia, that, in the face of communist inspired, and often financed, Demonstrations, led to the abandonment of our Allies and much of southern Asia to the doubtful joys of socialism.
Seeing the success of their anti war campaign the forces of socialism continued their campaign against freedom by such useful tools as "the Peace movement" which protested every defensive move by the US or it's NATO allies, but remained noticeably silent in the face of such naked communist aggression as the suppression of the Hungarian, German, Czech, and Polish independence movements and the Killing fields of Cambodia, they continued their activities, by vilifying Reagan's activities to beef up America's defenses and support anti communist Govts in Central America with more protests and fear mongering such as Carl Sagan's spurious "Nuclear winter" research, which has since been proven to have been A) false, and B) funded though cut outs by the KGB.
Even though the Soviet Union has perished the it's own ideological inconsistencies the minions of the left continue to work against America, their minions are still deeply entrenched in the MSM, Our colleges, universities and schools, politics, and unions. Ever wonder why the National Pediatrics group is so actively anti 2A despite the ridiculously small number of actual "children" killed by firearms ? Simple, like the Nation Education Association, and the AMA, their leadership contains a significant number of people who are Socialists and followers of the failed Marxist Ideology.
We will never regain lost ground or be safe from further encroachment as long as these misguided people retain positions of influence from which to advance their treasonous agenda.
If you think I'm wrong on this consider, FQ, a gun owning self proclaimed "good ole Boy" who I tear up nearly every time he posts on history or politics (His majors). What is the major difference that leads to this division ? He learned his subjects and was influenced in a left leaning  Academic environment while I since before I quit school in the 9th grade have read subjects that interested me and applied what I read to the things I saw around me, with little or no influence from any one else directing me toward a desired conclusion, I did not need to come up with "right answers" for a standardized test, I simply wanted workable answers to make sense of the world around me.

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Re: Fly the Flag Upside Down on the 4th
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Re: Fly the Flag Upside Down on the 4th
« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2009, 03:23:16 PM »


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090710/ap_on_re_us/us_upside_down_flag

Dispute over flag protest erupts in Wisc. village


  By ROBERT IMRIE, Associated Press Writer Robert Imrie, Associated Press Writer   – Fri Jul 10, 2:44 pm ET

WAUSAU, Wis. – An American flag flown upside down as a protest in a northern Wisconsin village was seized by police before a Fourth of July parade and the businessman who flew it — an Iraq war veteran — claims the officers trespassed and stole his property.

A day after the parade, police returned the flag and the man's protest — over a liquor license — continued.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Wisconsin is considering legal action against the village of Crivitz for violating Vito Congine Jr.'s' First Amendment rights, Executive Director Chris Ahmuty said.

"It is not often that you see something this blatant," Ahmuty said.

In mid-June, Congine, 46, began flying the flag upside down — an accepted way to signal distress — outside the restaurant he wants to open in Crivitz, a village of about 1,000 people some 65 miles north of Green Bay.

He said his distress is likely bankruptcy because the village board refused to grant him a liquor license after he spent nearly $200,000 to buy and remodel a downtown building for an Italian supper club.

Congine's upside-down-flag represents distress to him; to others in town, it represents disrespect of the flag.

Hours before a Fourth of July parade, four police officers went to Congine's property and removed the flag under the advice of Marinette County District Attorney Allen Brey.

Neighbor Steven Klein watched in disbelief.

"I said, 'What are you doing?' Klein said. "They said, 'It is none of your business.'"

The next day, police returned the flag.

Brey declined comment Friday.

Marinette County Sheriff Jim Kanikula said it was not illegal to fly the flag upside down but people were upset and it was the Fourth of July.

"It is illegal to cause a disruption," he said.

The parade went on without any problems, Kanikula said.

Village President John Deschane, 60, an Army veteran who served in Vietnam, said many people in town believe it's disrespectful to fly the flag upside down.

"If he wants to protest, let him protest but find a different way to do it," Deschane said.

Congine, a Marine veteran who served in Iraq in 2004, said he intends to keep flying the flag upside down.

"It is pretty bad when I go and fight a tyrannical government somewhere else," Congine said, "and then I come home to find it right here at my front door."
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« Reply #46 on: July 11, 2009, 04:36:32 PM »
Beat me to it Peg. I just copied this article in preparation to post here.

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Re: Fly the Flag Upside Down on the 4th
« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2009, 10:33:46 PM »
Beat me to it Peg. I just copied this article in preparation to post here.

As said recently, A day late and a dollar short. ;D

Well.....I guess I can loan you a dollar.     ;)





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For the Patriots of this country, the Constitution is second only to the Bible for most. For those who love this country, but do not share my personal beliefs, it is their Bible. To them nothing comes before the Constitution of these United States of America. For this we are all labeled potential terrorists. ~ Dean Garrison

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