Most Arizona Voters Put Immigration Over Health Care as More Important Reform Go

[tombogan03884]

You raise a valid point, but there is a very easy solution. Have medical schools lower their standards. What? Let morons in? No. Its just that med schools are run by Dr.s who know damn well that scarcity of a commodity drives up the price. They are no different than electrician's unions who make it hard to get a union card so as to limit the supply and keep wages artficially high. Obviousley there need to be standards, but not standards set so high that folks are artificially kept out of the system to reduce competition. Think I'm making this up? Look at bar exams. Ca is universally recognized as being the hardest to pass and Pa as being the easiest. Is it because Ca. law is that much harder than Pa. law? No. Its because more folks want to live in LA than Philly. The Ca. bar wants to limit the number of lawyers they have to compete with and so they set up a bitch of a test.
FQ13

That still won't have any effect for at least 8 years, so you're still stuck with rationing care, and the ONLY way  the plan could lower costs is by capping Dr.'s pay which means fewer people would be interested in the job any way. This means that even with lowered standards Schools will not be turning out any more Dr.'s.
As a side note with the current HIGH standards Dr.'s mistakes kill about 180,000 people per year. Lowere the standards even further and the will rival Cancer as the leading cause of death in America.

[tombogan03884]

Timothy, my ass wants to book a hotel, rent a car and get a plane ticket. Try that without a credit card. I don't use mine much either (I learned that lesson the hard way when I was young). The point is, Visa holds all the cards.
FQ13

I also haven't used a credit card in 6 or 7 years, don't have one, won't get one. If cash isn't good enough for them they are violating federal law, and I try to avoid doing business with criminals.

[Rastus]

OK, but I need to throw this out for general knowledge.
There are currently not enough Drs and nurses to serve the 253 million  insured NOW, all the money in the world cannot change that in less than 8 - 10 years. .............

Hey OK......it's history time.  What professional organization lobbied what president in what century to cap school enrollment for schools taking federal $'s?  Time's up....AMA, Clinton, 19th Century...about a decade ago.

Question:  What do you call the guy in medical school who is dead last in his class?
Answer:  Doctor

Ugly truth coming up....lots of nepotism to get into med school.  It's not about the good grades..though some are let through.  It's become a family trade for many...and I personally know two doctors that should have been passed over for med school over better qualified friends because DOD (dear old dad) was an alum. 

This medical log jam can be fixed.  Increase enrollment...can't afford it...easy solution.  95% of students must have the highest grades and 5% can be accepted with lesser grades under review...oops...junior needs to get in.  You can only get so many juniors (junior in the sense of DOD's boy) in...school must expand...alums cough up cash to expand school so the 5% number gets larger by virtue of a larger base.  But the government loses control...the AMA starts screaming for larger schools......it will work.  the 95 and 5 may actually be 90 and 10 or something...but you get the point.

[PegLeg45]

Timothy, my ass wants to book a hotel, rent a car and get a plane ticket. Try that without a credit card. I don't use mine much either (I learned that lesson the hard way when I was young). The point is, Visa holds all the cards.
FQ13

They also have VISA/MC/AMEX pre-paid cards that you can get with cash from many banks and any drug store or even wally world. Works like a credit card but is basically plastic cash. Might not be able to book a hotel, but should work most anywhere else. I do know they work online.

[tombogan03884]

Hey OK......it's history time.  What professional organization lobbied what president in what century to cap school enrollment for schools taking federal $'s?  Time's up....AMA, Clinton, 19th Century...about a decade ago.

Question:  What do you call the guy in medical school who is dead last in his class?
Answer:  Doctor

Ugly truth coming up....lots of nepotism to get into med school.  It's not about the good grades..though some are let through.  It's become a family trade for many...and I personally know two doctors that should have been passed over for med school over better qualified friends because DOD (dear old dad) was an alum.  

This medical log jam can be fixed.  Increase enrollment...can't afford it...easy solution.  95% of students must have the highest grades and 5% can be accepted with lesser grades under review...oops...junior needs to get in.  You can only get so many juniors (junior in the sense of DOD's boy) in...school must expand...alums cough up cash to expand school so the 5% number gets larger by virtue of a larger base.  But the government loses control...the AMA starts screaming for larger schools......it will work.  the 95 and 5 may actually be 90 and 10 or something...but you get the point.

There is one huge problem with your very good idea that will prevent the current regime from ever considering it.
The actual objective of everything the current "race based" regime does is to INCREASE DEM control.
That is why BO implemented a "stimulus" spending program that was sure to fail, a medical plan that cannot work, Amnesty for illegal aliens, White house oversight of ACORNs census operation and attacking talk radio through FCC licensing policies.
The goal is not recovery, or "improving America" but in fact, turning America into a socialist state run by Dems and disenfranchising the wealthy and any one else who opposes them.

[Sponsor]

[PegLeg45]

There is one huge problem with your very good idea that will prevent the current regime from ever considering it.
The actual objective of everything the current "race based" regime does is to INCREASE DEM control.
That is why BO implemented a "stimulus" spending program that was sure to fail, a medical plan that cannot work, Amnesty for illegal aliens, White house oversight of ACORNs census operation and attacking talk radio through FCC licensing policies.
The goal is not recovery, or "improving America" but in fact, turning America into a socialist state run by Dems and disenfranchising the wealthy and any one else who opposes them.

I'm conjuring images of "Soylent Green"...........

[Rastus]

I'm conjuring images of "Soylent Green"...........

Don't get me started on the Health Care Bill ! ! !   

[fightingquaker13]

That still won't have any effect for at least 8 years, so you're still stuck with rationing care, and the ONLY way  the plan could lower costs is by capping Dr.'s pay which means fewer people would be interested in the job any way. This means that even with lowered standards Schools will not be turning out any more Dr.'s.
As a side note with the current HIGH standards Dr.'s mistakes kill about 180,000 people per year. Lowere the standards even further and the will rival Cancer as the leading cause of death in America.

In re Dr.'s mistakes: Note the hours that residents work. I dated a trauma surgeon (7 year internship). She was routinley working hundred hour a week shifts. Her idea of a day "off" was getting home at 5am and not having to to report back until midnight the next day (though she was still on call). Does this make any sense? Can anyone expect someone to do their best under those conditions? The medical community does. And it's all about limiting the number of practioners. She made a butt load of money but had no time to spend it. What's the point? I got a lot more enjoyment out of my $40k as a teacher than her $90k as a Dr.
FQ13

[Timothy]

In re Dr.'s mistakes: Note the hours that residents work. I dated a trauma surgeon (7 year internship). She was routinley working hundred hour a week shifts. Her idea of a day "off" was getting home at 5am and not having to to report back until midnight the next day (though she was still on call). Does this make any sense? Can anyone expect someone to do their best under those conditions? The medical community does. And it's all about limiting the number of practioners. She made a butt load of money but had no time to spend it. What's the point? I got a lot more enjoyment out of my $40k as a teacher than her $90k as a Dr.
FQ13

Your point emphasizes why doctors are killing people.  My surgeon's were all kids under 35, working their asses off for the wankers that are teaching them.  The overworked, under trained kids are the ones killing folks in emergency rooms and trauma centers, not the doc's with the 500K salaries sitting in the office who should be held accountable.  This won't get any better any time soon.

BTW, 90 grand ain't a lot of money in today's market.  After taxes, she wasn't taking home much more than you were.  Equate that salary to 100 hour weeks and what she making an hour, 18 bucks....entry level brake operator makes that much in my shop.

The systems broke, social health care won't fix it.  I don't have the answers, just the scars!