If you have to fight while holding your child.

[Jackel]

i worked in close protection for a few years and protocol for a team was to get the principal the hell out of dodge.

with 1 BG (body guard not bad guy) you are supposed to stand behind and to the left of the principal. which gives you all around protection. if you stand in front then your principal can get taken from behind which you are not covering.

how this relates to protecting your kid in the store?

just walk behind him. this way you can assess the situation better than having to look around to find your kid and protect him, you always know where he is.

if you do have a contact then just push him onto the deck and take out the threat.

hope this helps.

if you have any Q's than feel free to PM me.

jake

[texcaliber]

I think a lot of the Michael Janich gross motor skills for unarmed and edged weapons would be invaluable for you and yours. A quality edged weapon or two(4,6,8...you decide  ) along with a very powerful hand-held EDC light which could be used for reinforced striking/kubaton defense would set you a little more at ease with the whole unarmed aspect. But along with this comes a different training mindset, which Mr. Janich can help with. Training to shoot someone is hard enough. Training to do it will holding a little one is harder. Now deploying an edged weapon, while holding a child ,and most likely scaring the fragile mindset  of the littleone when they see the active felon disemboweled. This is probably the hardest. So think it though prior. Then seek training. Then when you get some FIND MORE! 

Just opinions though.

Having little ones this is a serious "Papa Bear on Point" subject, so good luck and God bless.

[fightingquaker13]

I think a lot of the Michael Janich gross motor skills for unarmed and edged weapons would be invaluable for you and yours. A quality edged weapon or two(4,6,8...you decide  ) along with a very powerful hand-held EDC light which could be used for reinforced striking/kubaton defense would set you a little more at ease with the whole unarmed aspect. But along with this comes a different training mindset, which Mr. Janich can help with. Training to shoot someone is hard enough. Training to do it will holding a little one is harder. Now deploying an edged weapon, while holding a child ,and most likely scaring the fragile mindset  of the littleone when they see the active felon disemboweled. This is probably the hardest. So think it though prior. Then seek training. Then when you get some FIND MORE! 

Just opinions though.

Having little ones this is a serious "Papa Bear on Point" subject, so good luck and God bless.

Its not the mental scarring I'd be worried about. I ain't joe Kung Fu. I also have neither the time nor inclination to become one either. Its why I carry a gun. I live a fairly safe lifestyle, and the odds of using it are low. Still, a few hours a month practising to maintain skills are time well spent. The hundreds of hours to learn and maintain a martial art are a different story. I would not trust myself with a childs life against an armed and roughfly equal opponent, let alone several if I were armed with a knife. Thats why they are in the bad guy business and I teach school. It seems that step one of SD is knowing your limitations and adapting. Then you practice situational awareness to either avoid the bad things or see a chance to run away when it hapens. Awareness, decisiveness and violence of action seem to be key.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

Do it first, do it fast, and do something foul. All that stuff "gentlemen " don't do ?  That's your starting point, nut kicking, eye gauging,then get nasty.

[texcaliber]

I ain't joe Kung Fu. I also have neither the time nor inclination to become one either. Its why I carry a gun.

I agree with this statement. You have made the right choice for yourself. Possibly. I do not pretend to know you well enough to contradict the statements.

What I am referring to is the fact that the origional poster WIshooter

I am hoping to gather some information and advice on the problem of how to try to defend your child and yourself from an attack while you are holding them.  I realize that awareness, avoidance, good manners and humility go a long way.  These things may be the most important part of self defence in my opinion, however counting on them exclusively may be deadly..............and.........I live in Wisconsin so I can not CC a firearm for self defence, but this doesn't seem to change the problem of a close range ambush.  I would still need to fend off an attack and create distance, all of which would have to be accomplished while holding the most important part of my world.

I am giving him the best advice,IMHO, in weapons,training and mindset. Because you,FQ, chose not to be "joeFU" and carry a gun at times with minimal training is a choice. This is a choice he does not have the liberty to make or i want either. Now if it were me in his/that situation , I would train in the gym with heavy weights and serious cardio and seek nutrition advice to pack on SERIOUS SIZE and STRENGTH, then seek the Dojan for empty hand, striking weapons, OC's, and Edged Weapons to be the next Tex-'Chuck-VanDamn-Segal-Janich-BruceLee'-caliber that was possible and give any amount of time pain and/or suffering preparing for the worst to provide protection for my girls. To some degree or level I follow this.

Where we can carry a concealed weapon,FQ, I would still recommend Mr. Janich for, at minimum, some empty hand and employing edged weapons for primary weapon/gun retention basics.  Knowing how to punch someone in the throat or stick your thumb in the bastards eye or uses of "Gross Motor Skills" is a good piece of knowledge for your repertoire.

P.S. Every CCL holder should be a BlackBelt in verbal deescalation, but that is just an opinion also.

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[tombogan03884]

 Personally if I could not carry I would remain lazy but wear a Hand grenade for a necklace.
F U, If I'm going, we're ALL going.  

[texcaliber]

Personally if I could not carry I would remain lazy but wear a Hand grenade for a necklace.
F U, If I'm going, we're ALL going.  

Another reference to Tex Cobb in "Uncommon Valor" . The only thing is you forgot the kick to the nads. I will let you insert it where needed.

[tombogan03884]

Another reference to Tex Cobb in "Uncommon Valor" . The only thing is you forgot the kick to the nads. I will let you insert it where needed.

Do it first, do it fast, and do something foul. All that stuff "gentlemen " don't do ?  That's your starting point, nut kicking, eye gauging,then get nasty.

  I remembered 

[texcaliber]

All is right now Tom. 

[m25operator]

Got to find my copy of Uncommon Valor and watch again tonight. From Sailor " Randall TEX Cobb "

" that japanese martial arts bullshit, is fixin to get real expensive "

Back on thread, You are obviously willing to practice and have been practicing, both alone and with your child, congrats on that.
There is no one solution here, lot of decent approaches have been given, Escape is best, but not always possible, an old trick is a 20 dollar bill with a few ones rubber banded around a match book to look thicker, toss it passed your opponent as an offering while you and child run the other way. Putting the child down and behind you, and then being the most vicious you can be is definitely another. The child will be a lot more scarred if she witnesses your demise than the ass whooping given to another in her behalf.

Surprised so far that Rob or Michael J, have not responded.