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Re: (New) Rules Of Engagment For Troops, Not A Path To Victory
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2009, 11:52:03 AM »
The US troops never lose on the battlefield, it's the conference table where we get our a$$es kicked.
If our government is not willing to kill every living creature in a target country to achieve their objective they should not risk a single American life on half measures.

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Re: (New) Rules Of Engagment For Troops, Not A Path To Victory
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2009, 04:35:12 PM »
I'd like to see Obama, Pelosi or Reids' whiny wussy asses over there. I bet something would happen then.

I served 4 years in the Army and I would go AWOL if I were subject to the orders of the jumbo waffler we have for CIC, right now.

Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe the effete a**hole.

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Re: (New) Rules Of Engagment For Troops, Not A Path To Victory
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2009, 06:09:31 PM »
I'd like to see Obama, Pelosi or Reids' whiny wussy asses over there. I bet something would happen then.

I served 4 years in the Army and I would go AWOL if I were subject to the orders of the jumbo waffler we have for CIC, right now.

Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe the effete a**hole.

It would be the first positive National Media coverage.  >:(
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Re: (New) Rules Of Engagment For Troops, Not A Path To Victory
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2009, 06:43:55 PM »
The US troops never lose on the battlefield, it's the conference table where we get our a$$es kicked.
If our government is not willing to kill every living creature in a target country to achieve their objective they should not risk a single American life on half measures.

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Re: (New) Rules Of Engagment For Troops, Not A Path To Victory
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2009, 09:44:37 AM »
I was watching a program on National Geographic last night about the Iraq war. There was a part about how Al Jazeera was using pictures of dead civilians as propaganda, and in turn Al Queda was using this as recruitment tools. It got me thinking, and maybe not in the right way, but here it is anyway.

When we go to war the U.S. takes more care than any other nation to avoid civilian casualties. This is commendable, but we are not fighting a foreign army, rather a culture. I think that maybe a new tactic may prove to be more effective. That is the scorched earth mentality. For every act against us, we deliver such devastating retribution, that even the civilian population refuses to support the terrorists for fear of our retaliation. They would know that the consequences of attacking the U.S. are so devastating that it becomes unthinkable to attempt it.

Now I know that the current regime is too spineless to use this type of tactic on anyone but their own people. But there you have it. Like I said, I don't like the thought of intentionally harming civilians. I am not advocating these tactics, just looking at them from  a standpoint of "what would this do for enemy morale"?
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Re: (New) Rules Of Engagment For Troops, Not A Path To Victory
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Re: (New) Rules Of Engagment For Troops, Not A Path To Victory
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2009, 10:08:36 AM »
The Russians used the "Scorched earth tactic with great success against Napoleon's troops in 1815 going so far as to burn Moscow.  Sherman had similar success cutting through the heartland of the South, however the tactic was less successful during the German advance into Russia during WWII because Armies were no longer so dependent on foraged supplies.
On the morale side of the question brutality is counter productive. The failures of the Nazi "Anti Partisan" operations in the Balkan's, or the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan are excellent examples of how brutal reprisals only aid the enemies recruiting and stiffen their resolve to resist.
The British in Northern Ireland gained 600 years in these type of operations and what they settled on finally was treating it as a Police problem. The Police investigated and unless responding to a specific situation, the primary job of the military was to protect Cops as they went about their duties. There are other duties that troops can perform in this type of strategy such as movement control/ ID check points and point security for high value targets such as public buildings.
This type of "pseudo war" is where the Rand Corporations "Stability Police Force" is useful. much of what needs to be done is not appropriate for line troops, they are more suitable for cordoning off an operational area while the Spec. Ops troops are better trained at intelligence gathering, and conducting raids and targeted killings.

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Re: (New) Rules Of Engagment For Troops, Not A Path To Victory
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2009, 10:16:35 AM »
Ok, so scorched earth is counter productive. Sounds reasonable to me. It was just a thought that I had and wanted the opinion of someone smarter than me.
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Re: (New) Rules Of Engagment For Troops, Not A Path To Victory
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2009, 12:07:56 PM »
Ok, so scorched earth is counter productive. Sounds reasonable to me. It was just a thought that I had and wanted the opinion of someone smarter than me.


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Re: (New) Rules Of Engagment For Troops, Not A Path To Victory
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2009, 01:21:10 PM »
 Of course if you actually kill everything that moves there is no one left to have their resistance harden.  ;D

 

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