Big-box store security guard tries to disarm CWP holder

[Pathfinder]

Path
The Quote, and I remember it well as you would if you were trapped in a 10'x12' room with a highly (and justfiably, pissed Marine seargent major, think R. lee Ermy light) was " I will grab him by the stack and swivel".  My interpretation was one hand on the throat (stack) and a sharp twist to the right, followed by an unpleasent cracking sound and one less English challenged Korean TA in the world {HooAhh}). Perhaps it was "grab him by the stacking swivel", but the point was the same and accurately reported.
FQ13 who has resolved to take fewer cheap shots this year, can you hear me Path?

MUST NOT COMMENT...(Freud? Rastus? Protest too much?cough!).. NOT COMMENTING..NOT COMMENTING, NOT COMMENTING, NOT COMMENTING.
FQ13, who ever said I didn't do a Christian brother a good deed? Just kidding Rastus

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BTW - "HooAhh" is Army/Rangers, not USMC.

[DonWorsham]

Ooh-rah!

[tombogan03884]

Ooh-rah!

     

[Woody]

 Just what he deserves, You defended yourself properly, having taught Kenpo for years that kick did it. He tried to assault you in a public place. He does not have the authority of a LEO, and you need to SUE the Big Box, the security company and all of them in civil court. Keep those round houses coming, and work those combinations, and put them on the mat. Make them follow proper legal procedure. www.theruleoflaw.com Get Randy!
 This is the importance of knowing self defense, even without a gun, you are still deadly, Three strikes and they are out.
 Should of called the police right then on him. The best survival tool is in between your ears.

[fightingquaker13]

Just what he deserves, You defended yourself properly, having taught Kenpo for years that kick did it. He tried to assault you in a public place. He does not have the authority of a LEO, and you need to SUE the Big Box, the security company and all of them in civil court. Keep those round houses coming, and work those combinations, and put them on the mat. Make them follow proper legal procedure. www.theruleoflaw.com Get Randy!
 This is the importance of knowing self defense, even without a gun, you are still deadly, Three strikes and they are out.
 Should of called the police right then on him. The best survival tool is in between your ears.

Disagree on that last point woody. If there is a fight, particularly if you are carrying, and the opportunity to walk away presents itself, TAKE IT. grab it with both hands and don't let go. Even if this means you lose witnesses to a lawsuit or the chance to press charges, just walk away and go. If you want to pursue other remedies call a lawyer and let her deal wih it when you have a safe distance,and  time for everyone to cool down and all the facts. If you call the police you are putting your life in the hands of a 20 year old patrolman and a 28 year old ADA. Thanks, but no thanks, I'll just be leaving now sir, and sorry about the teeth on the floor.  
FQ13
PS I speak from experience here. I wound up having to flash a gun at a couple of would be muggers. They took off, problem over. If I called the cops, they would want to know why I was carrying in a different state (even though it was legal),and may not have understood reciprocity and arrested me. If they did catch the guys, they would claim that I threatened them and made racial slurs, thus setting me up for a hate crime charge. I would have lost my gun, at least temporarily, and probably have had to hire a lawyer even though I was in the right. Given the chance to avoid the police, I'll take it.

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[tt11758]

Disagree on that last point woody. If there is a fight, particularly if you are carrying, and the opportunity to walk away presents itself, TAKE IT. grab it with both hands and don't let go. Even if this means you lose witnesses to a lawsuit or the chance to press charges, just walk away and go. If you want to pursue other remedies call a lawyer and let her deal wih it when you have a safe distance,and  time for everyone to cool down and all the facts. If you call the police you are putting your life in the hands of a 20 year old patrolman and a 28 year old ADA. Thanks, but no thanks, I'll just be leaving now sir, and sorry about the teeth on the floor.  
FQ13
PS I speak from experience here. I wound up having to flash a gun at a couple of would be muggers. They took off, problem over. If I called the cops, they would want to know why I was carrying in a different state (even though it was legal),and may not have understood reciprocity and arrested me. If they did catch the guys, they would claim that I threatened them and made racial slurs, thus setting me up for a hate crime charge. I would have lost my gun, at least temporarily, and probably have had to hire a lawyer even though I was in the right. Given the chance to avoid the police, I'll take it.

FQ, in your situation I completely agree.  However, in the situation described there was physical contact.  VIOLENT physical contact.  Once that occurs you had damned well BETTER call the cops.  Cuz if you don't, the asshat rent-a-cop will, and the only story they'll hear is that a guy with a gun kicked the crap out of him for no apparent reason and with NO provocation.  MUCH better in that situation to get your side of the story on the record.  Leaving before the cops show up only serves to make you look like the guilty party.

YMMV

[GUNS-R-US]

FQ, in your situation I completely agree.  However, in the situation described there was physical contact.  VIOLENT physical contact.  Once that occurs you had damned well BETTER call the cops.  Cuz if you don't, the asshat rent-a-cop will, and the only story they'll hear is that a guy with a gun kicked the crap out of him for no apparent reason and with NO provocation.  MUCH better in that situation to get your side of the story on the record.  Leaving before the cops show up only serves to make you look like the guilty party.

YMMV

It's also probably better if your the one who calls, your the victim not the aggressor! The 911 tape is better heard "I was attacked" than someone else calling to say "the guy with a gun kicked the crap out of him".

[ericire12]

This guy was 69 and a retired Vietnam vet, and still in pretty good shape


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YouWrukzc0

UPDATE: Wal-Mart greeter that got attacked got fired

http://www.wesh.com/news/22190479/detail.html

A Walmart greeter who was shown on video getting punched by a customer has been fired.

Ed Bauman, 69, said the act of defending himself cost him his job.

Bauman went into Walmart hoping to get back to work for the first time since police said he was punched by a customer. Instead, Bauman said he was fired. His termination notice called the incident an act of "gross misconduct" and accused Bauman of fighting with a customer.

"They told me I did a good job of defending myself," said Bauman. "Then they turned around and fired me. I guess they just wanted me to stand there and get beaten."

On Dec. 26, a customer in red shorts set off an alarm while leaving the store. Bauman followed the man to get his license number. The man got angry and took Bauman's clipboard. Bauman said he tried to get it back and leaned into the customer who took a swing. Bauman said he swung back in order to defend himself.

Police said Bauman acted within his rights and was not charged. The customer was charged with a felony. Video of the punch also drew a lot of attention on WESH and WESH.com.

Walmart representatives did not comment on the firing.

The customer also claimed to be acting in self-defense. He accused Bauman of using a slur against him.

[Texas_Bryan]

Since when does a slur require physical defense or retaliation?  Even if a 'slur' was used clearly you can't physically hurt someone to protect yourself, what a dumbass for even saying as such.  Hopefully in prison he can defend himself against hurtful words, but the majority of the prison population probably won't be 70.

[tt11758]

UPDATE: Wal-Mart greeter that got attacked got fired

http://www.wesh.com/news/22190479/detail.html

Wally World is trying to limit their litigational exposure.