Author Topic: Savage Model 10MLSS .50 caliber Muzzleloader Rifle Blown Up  (Read 119183 times)

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Re: Savage Model 10MLSS .50 caliber Muzzleloader Rifle Blown Up
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2010, 07:53:39 AM »
If steel isn't heat treated properly it can do strange things. Again, this is yet another of many possibilities.   Bill T.

Ahh..correct.  I recall a recent threat where the KABOOM was traced to improper heat treating of the barrel also.
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Re: Savage Model 10MLSS .50 caliber Muzzleloader Rifle Blown Up
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2010, 09:11:37 AM »
If I remember the followup of the Sako incident, there was something reported about the steel having an unusually high Sulphur content. This can cause a crystallization of the steel itself, making it brittle. They were fortunate that only 6 rifles let go, and no one got killed. What I found amazing about the Sako incident is that it involved almost 3,000 rifles. Figuring an average barrel length of 24" that equates to 1.14 MILES of bad barrel steel! I don't know the source of their steel, but I hope they found a new one.  Bill T.

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Re: Savage Model 10MLSS .50 caliber Muzzleloader Rifle Blown Up
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2010, 11:21:32 AM »
Here's a thought that will give perspective to the idea of using smokeless powder in a muzzle loader.
Black powder is measured into the gun using a tube on the powder flask that holds "about" the amount you want.
Smokeless is measured into cartridges using triple beam or digital scales that measure  1/10th of a grain.

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Re: Savage Model 10MLSS .50 caliber Muzzleloader Rifle Blown Up
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2010, 12:01:06 PM »
The charges are meant to be pre measured  and placed into small vials or containers. No doubt it has to be done more precisely than with black powder. If the 10-ML is guilty of anything, it is the fact it takes more knowledge to operate it safely.  Bill T.

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Re: Savage Model 10MLSS .50 caliber Muzzleloader Rifle Blown Up
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Re: Savage Model 10MLSS .50 caliber Muzzleloader Rifle Blown Up
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2010, 02:35:24 PM »
There is a very basic Legal Maxim: "He who asserts must prove." You don't have to be around firearms very long to quickly understand that all firearms can be destroyed if misused. Savage Arms has made smokeless firearms for how many years? Most every 12 ga., 20 ga., 28 ga. .410 bore that goes bang every day (with comparatively paper-thin barrels) uses smokeless powder. A 209 primer, wad or sabot, and a slug or shot-- all old news. Loading from the muzzle changes nothing, assuming the gun is designed for the recommended propellants and loads.

This is fairly old news: this article covers what you need to do to damage or destroy a 10ML-II. It isn't easy; you really have to work hard at it any ignore the many printed safety warnings (and common sense). If you really want to and try hard enough, it can be done.

http://randywakeman.com/HowToBlowUpASavage10ML.htm goes over the matter in detail.


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Re: Savage Model 10MLSS .50 caliber Muzzleloader Rifle Blown Up
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2010, 02:42:32 PM »
That was a good read, Randy....thanks.....and welcome to the forum....hope you post more.
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Re: Savage Model 10MLSS .50 caliber Muzzleloader Rifle Blown Up
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2010, 04:01:24 PM »
Thanks Randy.  Bill T.

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Re: Savage Model 10MLSS .50 caliber Muzzleloader Rifle Blown Up
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2010, 11:59:25 PM »
Randy, Excellant first post welcome,

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Re: Savage Model 10MLSS .50 caliber Muzzleloader Rifle Blown Up
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2011, 04:12:07 PM »
Where is the ramrod??Bet it is abobuttut a 1/4 mi away!! You are supposed to remove them before you pull the trigger. My grandad told a story about his brothers, the youngest one had bothering the oldest to to shoot an old muzzleloader they had. Well they loaded it with about 3 charges. The young one shot it and was knocked on his butt, some what suprising the older ones, but when they started to reload they couldn,t find it. I think that is what happened here.

 

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