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Stephen A. Camp

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Dan Wesson Patriot: 8 Years Later
« on: March 11, 2010, 01:51:58 PM »
Hello. Eight years ago, I got a stainless steel Dan Wesson Patriot pistol.  Initial shooting proved the pistol to be utterly reliable with all JHP ammo I tried, be they handloads or commercial.  Likewise, the pistol gobbled up 200-gr. CSWC's, including some designs that can balk in more than a few 1911-pattern pistols.

The only problem that can be attributed to the pistol was that the MIM magazine release broke very early on.  Dan Wesson promptly sent me another, but I choose an Ed Brown for replacement.

Though a commercially produced pistol, the DW Patriot was "proofed." This means that each was tested for accuracy and had to shoot 5 shots into less than 1.5" @ 50' before they would leave the factory. Included with the Patriot was a laminated proof target.


Shown with the instruction manual is the proof target that accompanied my Patriot.  The group is well under 1.5 inches.

The DW Patriot boasted a forged frame, fitted match barrel and bushing, and an external extractor.  The latter is a topic of heated discussions, but this one worked fine and continues to do so.  That said, I personally prefer the traditional internal type. 

The barrel chamber is tight and is not tolerant of poorly-loaded, out-of-spec ammunition.  It has never malfunctioned with any factory load, but some slightly too long 200-gr. CSWC handloads did fail to chamber; that was my fault.  With the same bullets, but loaded to 1.25", chambering and feeding is perfect.

Initial sighting in was easy and the sights remained stable, holding zero w/o fail.


Shooting from a rest with wrists sandbagged, I came close but never have shot a 15-yard group as small as the proof target.  The Patriot grouped nicely in the beginning and continues to do so.(These groups were fired during the initial shooting of the gun 8 years ago.)

During the years that I've owned and shot the Patriot, I would estimate about 6K rounds have been fired. Most have been 200-gr. CSWC handloads or standard pressure 230-gr. handloads and factory rounds.

The pistol has held up nicely.  Wear, really more like burnishing, is even on the frame and slide. There remains some lateral and vertical play between the slide and frame, but it is minimal.  The barrel-to-slide fit remains solid and tight and the slide well-centered with no rub marks on either side at the lower front as can be seen on some pistols when this portion of the slide touches the inside of the dust cover during recoil.

I have made a few changes to my DW Patriot, but very few.

I replaced the FLGR with the conventional GI recoil spring guide and end cap.  This is just the system I'm used to and a change I normally make on any 1911-type pistol I own.  (Exceptions are a couple of 6" long slide versions.)

Grips were replaced, as was the plastic mainspring housing.
I also replaced the front sight.  The original was not pleasing to my eye in either shape or width.  It was also a bit high, requiring that the rear adjustable sight be elevated more than I like.  I replaced it with a lower one having the usual 1/8" width.


In this picture, you can see the original front sight that came on my Patriot.


Here is my Patriot as it appears today.

These pictures were taken four years ago, but in range sessions from then to now (the last being a couple of weeks ago), the pistol continues to group superbly. (I didn't have a camera with me so I didn't photograph any groups.)

The first consisted of a 200-gr. Precision (coated) SWC loaded over 5.0-gr. Bullseye in mixed, fired cases, and ignited with a Winchester large pistol primer.  From this gun, average velocity is 891 ft/sec with a standard deviation of 10 ft/sec.  LOA is 1.25". (I usually get about 860 ft/sec with this load in most 5" guns.)

The second uses Remington's 230-gr. Golden Saber over 6.3-gr. Unique and ignited with the same primer. Average velocity is 870 ft/sec with a standard deviation of 14 ft/sec. LOA: 1.22".


This was my best group using the Precision 200-gr. CSWC, which was fired standing and with a two-hand hold at 15 yards.


Results with the 230-gr. Golden Saber handload were good (for me) and had almost exactly the same POI as the CSWC at 15 yards.

At 25-yards, I fired a group while seated and with my wrists braced and as with the previous two shown, it was done in slow-fire.


I fired two groups with the 200-gr. Precision bullet handload at 25 yards.  The first group was poor and was my fault.  I was thinking about a "Beltbuster with cheese" and not shooting.  I managed to focus my thoughts to what I was doing and got a nice group with the Patriot. Obviously, the pistol has more than enough mechanical accuracy for most of us and can meet my own perceived needs easily.

I decided to see if a new "Colt Competition" slide could be fitted to the DW Patriot frame w/o too many problems.  Some fitting was definitely required, but the job was not difficult.  A big surprise for me was that the DW bbl and bushing actually fit the new slide snugly!  Using a blue marks-a-lot I checked lug engagement and things are fine! (These slides were sold a few years ago and could be found at CDNN as well as other places. The ejection port was not lowered.  I had this one done by a gunsmith who then dropped the slide in the bluing vat.)


Here is the Colt Competition slide on the DW Patriot frame. The bbl and bushing are from the DW.

All of this is nice, but the question remained about not only function, but where the POI would be with regard to this slide's fixed sights.


I got lucky…real lucky!  The fixed sights in this combination turned out to be perfect for me, both vertically and with windage. Usually, such is not the case for me.

I will shoot the DW Patriot with the factory slide/bbl that came with it, but it is nice to know that should I somehow break all three extractors and no more can be found, I'm not out of business with this gun; I'll just slap on the Colt slide. (Since this was written, I've "heard" that the S&W 1911 extractors will fit the Patriot.  I've not tried it or checked this possibility out further.)

Six thousand shots is not many to some shooters and three lifetime's worth for others, but so far the DW Patriot appears to be capable of holding the course.  I am not a fan of stainless steel pistols, but will use this one for times when I'm likely to be sweating on the gun or in inclement weather.  I could do without the forward slide serrations, but the gun works and has proven itself a shooter. For those concerned about possible galling, I have seen absolutely none.  I believe that this problem was solved years ago after the first stainless autopistols hit the market and galling problems sometimes appeared.  Alloys were altered and the problem went away.


This DW Patriot proved itself useful over the years.  This "table doe" was popped with the pistol using a 200-gr. Hornady XTP loaded over 7.2-gr. Unique.  Average velocity was 991 ft/sec. (The deer went into the freezer and was eaten.)

In my opinion, DW built and continues to build fine pistols.  The slide glides smoothly though not so "velvet smooth" as on a slide that has been custom-fitted and lapped.  The trigger pull has remained constant and breaks at a measured 3 1/2 pounds.  More importantly (to me), it breaks cleanly.

The Patriot model is no longer produced by Dan Wesson, but I continue to hear positive things about their pistols and understand that Dan Wesson is now with the respected company, CZ and can be found here:

http://cz-usa.com/products/by-brand/dan-wesson/ 

Mr. Bob Serva, who was in charge of Dan Wesson when I got this Patriot has moved on to form another company called Fusion Arms.  I know only one person with one but he ordered another and cannot speak highly enough of his Fusion Arms 1911. Interested persons can find this site at:

http://www.fusionfirearms.com/

I have not seen another Patriot in private hands or in the "Used" sections of any gun shops I've visited in past years.  This could certainly be due to their limited years in production but I suspect that most Patriot owners are hanging on to them.

I know that I am.

Best.

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Re: Dan Wesson Patriot: 8 Years Later
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2010, 03:17:41 PM »
Beautiful 1911...on both counts......superb accuracy, too.....couldn't ask for much better than those groups from a factory gun.....I've seen custom jobs that wouldn't do that well.

Glad to see you are enjoying it as a 'shooter'.
Great post, thanks for sharing.
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Re: Dan Wesson Patriot: 8 Years Later
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2010, 07:18:25 PM »
You are banned from entering the gunman1911 Shooting Match next year, with that pistol.....

Very Nice Post. and pics.

Thank you.

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Re: Dan Wesson Patriot: 8 Years Later
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2010, 07:23:20 PM »
Hello and thanks very much.  This pistol has been a consistently accurate one, particularly with loads it "likes".

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Re: Dan Wesson Patriot: 8 Years Later
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 09:30:43 PM »
Nice, well done report, Stephen and thanks, I have thought of getting the 10mm version, and may continue to look, but a friend of mine gave me his Delta Elite, take off barrel, and I will probably buy a slide and ejector and fit it to one of my frames.
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Re: Dan Wesson Patriot: 8 Years Later
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2010, 09:53:38 PM »
 I have never handled a DW 1911, but I shot one of the revolvers, in 357, Darn,  what a pistol !
I did not care for the cylinder release, but feel, trigger, and accuracy were more than any one should ask for from a factory gun.

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Re: Dan Wesson Patriot: 8 Years Later
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2010, 11:36:34 PM »
Very nice! Never seen a DW 1911.
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Re: Dan Wesson Patriot: 8 Years Later
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2010, 08:17:27 AM »
Great post Stephen, thank you!

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Re: Dan Wesson Patriot: 8 Years Later
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2010, 09:19:18 PM »
Great write up and pictures.

True to form, if a MIM part is going to break it should break very early in it's life.

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Re: Dan Wesson Patriot: 8 Years Later
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2010, 05:37:31 PM »
I have a DW Patriot Commander Bobtail 1911. It's my favorite carry gun, but I can only carry this gun on the weekends as I can't dress around it at work. Weekday gets a Walther PPS 9mm on the ankle.
Mine was a factory demo gun, purchased about two years ago. It has an internal extractor, and fixed Novak rear sight. The sights are tritium nightsights, very effective. There are many Ed Brown parts on this gun. I can't imagine having a plastic MSH on a DW, what is that all about? This one has what I  believe is an Ed Brown bobtail part. I LOVE the way it feels in my hand. The double-diamond Cocobolo's are what I would have put on if they didn't come with the pistol. The front strap has 20lpi checkering, I wish it was 30lpi, as you can feel it after a lot of shooting.
As with all DW's, it shoots where you point it. I shoot mainly 230gr RN plated from Berry's, over 5.5gr of W231. Mixed brass at 1.25" OAL. It's amazing how much cleaner the W231 burns as opposed to a 5.2gr load. Carry ammo is generally Federal Premium Tactical LE HST 230gr. I have the original DW blued 7rd. mag and a couple of Chip McCormick 8 rounders. After bending the feed lips in a bit, they all function flawlessly. I did have to file a minute amount off the slide lock, as the rounds were activating the slide lock before the mag was empty.
The slide to frame fit is superb, so much so that when it gets really cold, the resistance increases so that I have to use a very light oil instead of my usual lube. "It's like buttah".

This one's a keeper.

Jeff



 

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