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McGyver

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Here we go, AGAIN!
« on: May 02, 2010, 09:16:43 PM »
We have AMERICANS that are unemployed and may not make it to see next month, BUT!


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100502/wl_afp/greecefinanceeconomy

Yet here we go giving Greece our money? WTF happened to asking the AMERICAN TAXPAYER where our money goes?
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Re: Here we go, AGAIN!
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2010, 09:28:01 PM »
I believe the money is only coming from European contries that are on the EURO..... not from he U.S.



Found this part of the article intersting:
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The sales tax is also to be raised from 21 percent currently to 23 percent this year.


We are gonna be lucky if the US's national sales tax that is coming down the pike comes in at under 15%
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Re: Here we go, AGAIN!
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2010, 09:53:50 PM »
The sales tax. Short term dream of right wingers AND lefties everywhere. Tax spending, not wealth. Problem for the left?, It is a reggressive tax and hurts the poor who must spend a greater percentage of their income on consumer goods than the rich. Problem for the right? It kills small businesses, restaraunts and any service provider whose services are taxed. A 20% sales tax means I'm 20% less likely to buy it, or if I have to I'll skimp on something else. The key to promoting economic recovery is not to tax either spending or investment. No sales tax, no capital gains tax, make the budget through income taxes and oh yeah, whatever happened to tarriffs? Not protective tarriffs, just a VAT on imports? It creates jobs and generates revenue.
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Re: Here we go, AGAIN!
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2010, 09:54:09 PM »
That's exactly what I mean, Eric! It'll reach out to us eventually, trust me!
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Re: Here we go, AGAIN!
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2010, 09:56:00 PM »
I believe the money is only coming from European contries that are on the EURO..... not from he U.S.



Found this part of the article intersting:

We are gonna be lucky if the US's national sales tax that is coming down the pike comes in at under 15%

The IMF is partly funded by the United States, and is the largest contributor.....

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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2010, 09:57:48 PM »
Thanks, FullAuto!
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Re: Here we go, AGAIN!
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2010, 11:22:54 PM »
Except it's not the IMF that's bailing Greece out.
It's the rest of the European Union.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100503/bs_afp/greecefinanceeconomy



BRUSSELS (AFP) – European governments endorsed an unprecedented 110-billion-euro bailout to save Greece from bankruptcy and shore up the single currency after Athens agreed to draconian spending cuts.

The first installment of the eurozone-IMF rescue package will be paid within the next few weeks, with the rest spread over three years and conditional on a swathe of painful cuts and tax rises in Greece, they said.

Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou warned his country it would have to make "big sacrifices" as he announced massive new cuts to secure the rescue package, which is bigger than that of bankrupt Argentina in the 1990s.

But Greek unions vowed to battle the drastic round of austerity measures, worth some 30 billion euros and including deep cuts to wages and pensions.

The bailout, worth 146 billion dollars, includes 30 billion euros of loans from the International Monetary Fund, whose executive board is set to approve it "within the week," managing director Dominique Strauss-Kahn said.

Parliaments in euro area countries will next week begin the processes that enable them to transfer their contributions to Greece before its next nine billion euros of debt repayments fall due on May 19.

A summit of eurozone countries will be held in Brussels on Friday to deal with the longer-term consequences of the Greek debt crisis -- including how to spot and halt similar problems elsewhere.

"We have decided to activate the support plan for Greece," Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker, head of the eurozone's group of finance ministers, told reporters after talks with the bloc's 16 members in Brussels.

The bailout includes a 10-billion-euro fund set aside for Greece's finance industry, as its banks face major economic contraction.

Eurozone finance ministers would look for "voluntary contributions" from banks in their countries to help Greece, Juncker added.

Rocked by violent street protests at home, Greece has been under heavy pressure to cut a massive public deficit that has shaken the euro, rattled markets and sparked fears of contagion to other debt-ridden European countries.

Germany, which is expected to provide the biggest portion of the Greek bailout, warned Athens it must live up to its promises.

"I think that this is a very ambitious programme," said Chancellor Angela Merkel, who has been criticised in Europe for dragging her feet on coming to Greece's aid.

The bailout was "the only way to ensure the stability of the euro," she said.

In Brussels, French Finance Minister Christine Lagarde said it was in the "clear interest" of Europe to keep Greece stable.

All of Greece's 15 euro partners are expected to make a profit on their individual loans to Athens, said EU monetary affairs commissioner Olli Rehn.

US President Barack Obama welcomed the deal in a telephone call Sunday with Papandreou, the White House said.

"The two leaders discussed the importance of implementation going forward," said a spokesman.

But the reaction in Greece was severe.

Yannis Panagopoulos, president of the million-member strong GSEE union, warning that the austerity plan would only "worsen the recession and plunge the economy into a deep coma."

He added: "It's time to step up the social battle, our May 5 general strike will be the beginning of a long battle."

Eurozone countries finally approved the package for fear the Greek debt crisis could pull down other members with severely strained public finances such as Portugal, or even Spain.

In exchange for emergency loans, Greece agreed the new cuts over three years with the aim of slashing the public deficit to less than three percent of output by 2014, from 13.6 percent last year.

Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou said the government would scrap 13th and 14th month bonus wages for public sector workers and pensioners; raise the retirement age for women from 60 to 65, bringing it in line with that for men; and raise the sales tax from 21 percent to 23 percent this year.

However, the European Central Bank warned Greece that it should "stand ready" to make more cuts "that may become appropriate to achieve the objectives of the programme."

The euro struggled for direction in early Asian trade Monday.

The single European currency bought 1.3289 dollars at 0035 GMT, down a touch from 1.3294 late in New York Friday, paring back early gains that saw it climb as high as 1.3332 dollars.

 

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