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CAIRO – A U.S.-born cleric who has encouraged Muslims to kill American soldiers called for the killing of U.S. civilians in his first video released by a Yemeni offshoot of al-Qaida, providing the most overt link yet between the radical preacher and the terror group.

Dressed in a white Yemeni robe, turban and with a traditional jambiyah dagger tucked into his waistband, Anwar Al-Awlaki used the 45-minute video posted Sunday to justify civilian deaths — and encourage them — by accusing the United States of intentionally killing a million Muslim civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.

American civilians are to blame, he said, because "the American people, in general, are taking part in this and they elected this administration and they are financing the war."

"Those who might be killed in a plane are merely a drop of water in a sea," he said in the video in response to a question about Muslim groups that disapproved of the airliner plot because it targeted civilians.

Al-Awlaki, who was born in New Mexico and is believed to be hiding in his parents' native Yemen, has used his personal website to encourage Muslims around the world to kill U.S. troops in Iraq.

He has emerged as a prominent al-Qaida recruiter and has been tied by U.S. intelligence to the 9/11 hijackers, the suspects in the November shooting at an Army base in Fort Hood, Texas, and the December attempt to blow up a U.S. jetliner bound for Detroit.

For U.S. officials, al-Awlaki is of particular concern because he is one of the few English-speaking radical clerics able to explain to young Muslims in America and other Western countries the philosophy of violent jihad.

Al-Awlaki's direct role in al-Qaida — if any — remains unclear. The U.S. says he is an active participant in the group, though members of his tribe have denied that.

However, Sunday's video provides the clearest link yet between the cleric and the terror group.

It was produced by al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula's media arm, which touted the recording as its first interview with al-Awlaki. It may also indicate al-Qaida is trying to seize upon al-Awlaki's recruiting prowess by featuring him in its videos.

In the months before the Fort Hood shooting, which killed 13 people, al-Awlaki exchanged e-mails with the alleged attacker, U.S. Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan. Hasan initiated the contacts, drawn by al-Awlaki's Internet sermons, and approached him for religious advice.

Yemen's government says al-Awlaki is also suspected of contacts with Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who traveled to Yemen late last year, and U.S. investigators say Abdulmutallab told them he received training and his bomb from Yemen's al-Qaida offshoot.

In Sunday's video, al-Awlaki praised both men and referred to them as his "students."

Speaking of Hasan, the cleric said, "What he did was heroic and great. ... I ask every Muslim serving in the U.S. Army to follow suit."

Because of what U.S. officials view as al-Awlaki's growing role with al-Qaida, the Obama administration placed him on the CIA's list of targets for assassination — despite his American citizenship.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Sunday that the U.S. is "actively trying to find" al-Awlaki.

"The president will continue to take action directly at terrorists like Awlaki and keep our country safe from their murderous thugs," Gibbs said on CBS's "Face the Nation."

Ali Mohammed al-Ansi, Yemen's national security chief and head of the president's office, said in remarks published Sunday in Yemen's ruling-party newspaper that the country's security forces will continue to pursue al-Awlaki until he turns himself in or he is arrested.

Yemen has indicated that if its security forces capture al-Awlaki, it wants to try the cleric on Yemeni soil.

Al-Awlaki was born in 1971 in New Mexico. His father, Nasser al-Awlaki, was in the United States studying agriculture at the time and later returned with his family to Yemen to serve as agriculture minister. The father remains a prominent figure in Yemen, teaching at San'a University in the capital.

The younger al-Awlaki returned to the United States in 1991 to study civil engineering at Colorado State University, then education at San Diego State University, followed by doctoral work at George Washington University in Washington, D.C.

He was also a preacher at mosques in California and Virginia before returning to Yemen in 2004.

"We have had more freedom in America than in any Muslim country," he said in Sunday's video. "But when America started to feel the danger of Islam's message, it tightened limits on freedom, and after 9/11 it was impossible to live in America as a Muslim."

Al-Awlaki is believed to be hiding in Yemen's Shabwa province, the rugged region of towering mountains that is home to his large tribe. He said he was moving from place to place under the protection of his tribe.

"As for the Americans, I will never surrender to them," al-Awlaki said. "If the Americans want me, let them come look for me. God is the protector."

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Re: "Religion of Peace" continues it's reasonable dialog with the West
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2010, 10:29:41 PM »
You see, this is why I am a realist. A dispute over oil, or navigation rights, or a piece of ground, reasonable men (backed by armies), can negotiate. "With us or against us", "Allahs will", "Terrorists", "Infidels"...that just leads to killing. Idealism leads to body bags. Best to avoid it.  The logical extreme is some Ahole born and raised in the US calling for his neighbors to be killed because of what Washingtons policies are. Are ye daft man? When did I sign up for this? I would prefer to fight limited wars over limited ends. Or better yet, no wars at all. However, if you leave me no choice..... :-\
FQ13 who will be happy to to  embed " his traditional Yemeni dagger tucked in his waistband", just a liitle South of the the navel and remove it from the sternum. I didn't start this thing, but if you want to go there? As the flag says, don't tread on me.

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Re: "Religion of Peace" continues it's reasonable dialog with the West
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2010, 10:54:33 PM »
The liberals have no stomach to do what needs to be done to keep these sheet heads in line. Nuke two of their countries and tell the rest that if they do not keep the rest of the arse holes in their religion in line we will finish the rest.
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Re: "Religion of Peace" continues it's reasonable dialog with the West
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2010, 12:36:06 AM »
Iran and N Korea. The rest will at least take a while to think it over.    ;D

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Re: "Religion of Peace" continues it's reasonable dialog with the West
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2010, 12:38:17 AM »
I was thinking more of Yemen.
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Re: "Religion of Peace" continues it's reasonable dialog with the West
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2010, 05:44:20 AM »
I was thinking more of Yemen.

Not much to target there.

A friend who is a drilling engineer worked in Yemen for several years for one of the Hunt companies.  Time and again he was reminded by the mooslims he worked with that though they liked him and thought he was a great guy, when the time came they would kill him because he was an infidel.  They tolerated and even enjoyed his presence and the jobs he brought, joked, laughed, enjoyed the gifts he brought back from the U.S., but they all to a man let him know that he would die if he would not convert when their use for him (the West) was over.  They only needed the word from their iman and a little leadership. 

Some tolerance.  Convert or die.  So much for live and let live...unless of course you are a means to an end.

On another front Steve watched a suicide attack several years ago, a Yemeni was bound and determined to blow up and kill people at a gas processing plant.  They drove to the gate in the front and got stopped at the barriers....now here is the good part...no fence and no gate in the back.  Why did they drive to the front...who knows, but it is typical he says of their thought processes.  There was a road in the back, no fence, no guards no nothing...they could have driven right up to the main building if they had driven an extra 1/2 mile or so to go around to the back....go figure. 
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Re: "Religion of Peace" continues it's reasonable dialog with the West
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2010, 06:23:31 AM »
First of all Rastus, I find "Mooslims" offensive. Let's at least give our enemies the respect that we would have them give to us. There might even be a passage in that Bible you so love to thump. Something in the Book of Matthew about doing unto others.... But hey, I'm just an Episcopalian and I bow to your superior holiness. ::)
Second point, I agree with you. These people are fanatics. Believe their way or die. Wasn't too long ago Christians felt the same way, as the Wars of Religion, hell, the founding of this nation, will attest. There's  nothing wrong with the people, its just the crap that's been poured into their heads from the cradle. I find talk of mushroom clouds distasteful for this reason. This doesn't mean I'm not willing to go to war. It does mean that I understand that the black and white world you live in has a whole lot of gray in it.  Here's the thing. Kill the terrorists. Good, but that's step one. Step two is convincing others not to follow in their footsteps. That means guys like your friend convincing guys on the ground that their immams are full of sh!t. Religion is worth dying for. Its never worth killing for. I'll die for Christ. I won't kill for Him. Once that simple principle is understood, it should end this nonsense as sure as the Wars of Religion were ended.    Doesn't mean there won't be some blood along the way. It just that the basic understanding and acceptance of the fact that who you worship (or don't worship) is your own damn business, is the only way out of this this mess.
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Re: "Religion of Peace" continues it's reasonable dialog with the West
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2010, 06:44:10 AM »
First of all Rastus, I find "Mooslims" offensive. Let's at least give our enemies the respect that we would have them give to us. There might even be a passage in that Bible you so love to thump. Something in the Book of Matthew about doing unto others.... But hey, I'm just an Episcopalian and I bow to your superior holiness. ::)
Second point, I agree with you. These people are fanatics. Believe their way or die. Wasn't too long ago Christians felt the same way, as the Wars of Religion, hell, the founding of this nation, will attest. There's  nothing wrong with the people, its just the crap that's been poured into their heads from the cradle. I find talk of mushroom clouds distasteful for this reason. This doesn't mean I'm not willing to go to war. It does mean that I understand that the black and white world you live in has a whole lot of gray in it.  Here's the thing. Kill the terrorists. Good, but that's step one. Step two is convincing others not to follow in their footsteps. That means guys like your friend convincing guys on the ground that their immams are full of sh!t. Religion is worth dying for. Its never worth killing for. I'll die for Christ. I won't kill for Him. Once that simple principle is understood, it should end this nonsense as sure as the Wars of Religion were ended.    Doesn't mean there won't be some blood along the way. It just that the basic understanding and acceptance of the fact that who you worship (or don't worship) is your own damn business, is the only way out of this this mess.
Just my .02.
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You're right, FQ, it is offensive. It should have been mooslims, no cap.

They will never give us respect. Earlier you claimed to be a "realist", and then you pull this unrealistic, rainbow-farting unicorn crap? Respect? Please! I respect their desire to kill us for the "sin" of mere existence. You said "but if you want to go there? As the flag says, don't tread on me." They have tread on you, and continue to do so daily. In your words, they are already "there". You just haven't awakened to the fact yet.

If you actually read the Bible instead of throwing some random book-level reference in our faces, we are told to judge righteously. Jesus never had a problem with telling people to their faces they were hypocrites. You forget that when Peter drew his sword and struck off Malchius' ear in the Garden, and was about to do more, Jesus stopped him. Not for the violence, but because it would prevent what had to happen. Then of course there was that whole whipping people in the Temple in Jerusalem thing, more violence in the name of the Lord - righteous violence.

mooslims are killing American citizens now. When do you get off your azz and start to pay attention to the realities of now and stop turning a blind eye to their predations here and around the world? A reformation of the mooslim nuisance will take a long time. How long will you wait until your liberal sensibilities are satisfied and action is warranted?
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Re: "Religion of Peace" continues it's reasonable dialog with the West
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2010, 07:41:39 AM »
A reformation of the mooslim nuisance will take a long time. How long will you wait until your liberal sensibilities are satisfied and action is warranted?

When it comes to civilians and mushroom clouds? Seven times seven Path. That's what distinguishes us from them.  Choose your own course.
FQ13 who again prefers realism. I'd rather fight over a patch of ground or an oil field than for the hearts of men. One can be settled rationally, by force or reason, the other......Well, I see it as a fool's game. Your mileage may vary.

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Re: "Religion of Peace" continues it's reasonable dialog with the West
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2010, 07:47:41 AM »
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First of all Rastus, I find "Mooslims" offensive.

And, Rastus, I have to agree with him.  It should be: camel-effing, sheethead, a$$hole mooslems to put a finer point on it.  This POS religion of hate wants its membership to behead your mom and you, Quaker.  If they are offended by anything I say or do, TS.  Quaker, where is your head?

Thoughtfully and caringly presented by Crusader, who could not give less than a rat's fart if some camel-effing, sheethead, a$$hole mooslem who wants to have my head takes offense at my calling him out on it.  Sheesh, Quaker.  Wake up and smell the coffee.
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