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m16 vs ak 47
« on: May 25, 2010, 10:58:23 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/25/military-reconsiders-armys-use-m-rifles-afghanistan/

I found this to be an interesting article. Is the military admitting the m16 is not as good as the ak 47?

What do you think?


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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2010, 06:13:02 AM »
I think they're saying the M4 is a short-range weapon.  Hmmm...isn't that what it was designed to be?  Now they're realizing it's not a sniper rifle.  Well, Duh! ::)

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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2010, 08:38:29 AM »
The article made it look like the status quo was defending - - - the status quo.

The AK is a 63 year old design, the AR 50+ years old. Both have pluses and minuses. I see in the military's adherence to the M-4 and M-16, though, an unwillingness to envision multiple scenarios and to be prepared for any of them. The AR platform is a natural for multiple uppers with multiple features and calibers.The .mil should be exploiting the hell out that platform, instead of sticking with one caliber.

Our troops paid the price for that intransigence in Somalia, again in Afghanistan and Iraq, and now again in Afghanistan.
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2010, 08:56:33 AM »
Both were built on totally different ends of the design spectrum to achieve the same result. A reliable, lethal, battle rifle. The M-16 was designed around extremely close tolerances to achieve as much accuracy in a mass produced battle weapon as possible. The AK-47 was designed quite the opposite. It's design was based on quite loose tolerances by comparison to the M-16 to achieve superior reliability. Both models accomplished their goals, albeit the M-16 does it with more accuracy, but at a trade off for reduced reliability. The AK-47 achieves superior reliability, but with much less accuracy.

The bottom line on these guns is that it depends on the type of warfare being fought, and at what distance you expect to engage your targets. In Viet Nam where most of the fighting was close range jungle encounters and ambushes, in that scenario the AK-47 was far superior to the M-16. The inhospitable rainy, wet, jungle conditions also favored the AK-47. Rust, dirt, and mud effected it's operation far less than the M-16 which jammed frequently, and it required field stripping much of the time to clear it, and get it up and running again. Not exactly the best thing to have happen in a fire fight in the middle of the night.

In Iraq, where many enemy encounters are at longer ranges because of the open desert, the M-16 has a definite range advantage, but it's smaller .22 caliber round is handicapped. Much has been reported about the ineffectiveness of the 5.56 MM round at ranges greater than 300 meters. This has been addressed with different ammunition recipes. The jury is still out on it's effectiveness.

So, in many ways the argument continues as to which is best. Both have been in service more than twice as long as the soldiers carrying them have been alive, which alone says something as to their effectiveness as well proven battle weapons.  Bill T.

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Re: m16 vs ak 47
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2010, 10:08:20 AM »
its funny, laugh, don't get upset, its funny, ha is the proper response, its funny.



I am not responsable for the actions of film, I had no part in making and I do not approve of the gun handling and poor muzzle control. Its funny, laugh...
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2010, 10:56:16 AM »
If I was shooting at people at 200 meters plus I would go with the M 14. The first firearm I ever shot. Ft Dix 1966 Armed Forces Day!

Video.  At 3 I would have turned and shot him in the back.  It's about winning the gunfight baby ;D

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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2010, 10:58:39 AM »
If I was shooting at people at 200 meters plus I would go with the M 14. The first firearm I ever shot. Ft Dix 1966 Armed Forces Day!

Video.  At 3 I would have turned and shot him in the back.  It's about winning the gunfight baby ;D

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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2010, 02:46:18 PM »
I like the way you think .  ;D
When TT and I win the election do you want to be DCI  ;D
FQ wants the job but he is to liberal for profiling, never mind "Extreme prejudice". (At least that's what the iguana's say  ;D  )

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2010, 03:17:42 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2010, 04:25:18 PM »
Solus, Thank you, but THAT lesson is for the Justice Dept.
It is important to draw clear lines between assassinating Heads of State and other foreigners who irk you, (Kim Dong Ill, Hugo Chavez, Amadinawhateverthehell that A hole in Iran ) which falls under "Foreign Policy".
and imposing legal penalties on violent or egregious offenders, In fact I may change the Dept.'s name to "Animal Control".

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