Vote early, vote often.

[fightingquaker13]

You are justifying the derailing of the electoral system.
We'll have a vote and the most votes wins, unless it goes against the wetbacks or the blacks or the queers or some other bunch of socialist scum, then we'll change the result.
You want equal numbers of representatives ?
Move some where else.

All I'm saying is that there is no such thing as a "neutral" election system. The rules always favor someone. Why does New Hampshire get to go first? Why should my choice of candidates get to be whittled down by a bunch of grumpy Yankees? How about making Georgia or Oregon first in 2012? Why the electoral college? Why do I care what North Dakota or Alaska thinks? And what about county unit voting? We count the states votes as a whole, why not counties within a state? The point is this, the rules will always influence the outcome. You prefer rule A over rule B fine. Lets argue about that. Just don't pretend rule A is neutral and rule B isn't because we are both smart enough to know that that's a lie. If every one is treated equally its fair. The question comes down to this. Different rules applied fairly skew the results in different ways. Lets just be honest and argue about which way we want the skew to be and cut the PC bullshat. That way, I think there would be less disagreement than you might expect.
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[tombogan03884]

Are you crapping me, or do you REALLY believe this sh!t ?
Why not just go with different colored ballots ?
Better yet, lets just go with what the "beaners" and black trash want and skip all that voting completely.

[fightingquaker13]

Are you crapping me, or do you REALLY believe this sh!t ?
Why not just go with different colored ballots ?
Better yet, lets just go with what the "beaners" and black trash want and skip all that voting completely.

Take your city. Assume 5 council seats. Two options. At large districts, or single member districts. How the candidates present themselves, and to which groups will vary widely. Same with Congressional vs Senate races. OR partisan vs non-partisan elections. Ban party funding in the latter. Again, you will see different concerns (eg winners and losers) being addressed. All I'm saying is that when it comes to election rules there is no such animal as "neutral". Any rule will favor one interest over another, cf Federalist 51. Its just a question of deciding what sorts of general principles you prefer and then choosing a fair set of rules that will favor them. This isn't ideology, its just fact. Is the hoop 6', 10', or 12' high? You'll see different players recruited. Ditto with football. Are we playing on an 80 yard, hundred yard or 150 yard field. Again, you'll see a different roster. Compare the looks and talent of radio vs TV stars. I'm surprised you are arguing against the fact that the choice of rules influences but does not wholly determine the outcome. I thought you were a realist. You're agrument in the quoted post actually agrees with me. I don't want to hand over power to those who are hostile to my vison of a race blind society by demanding racially skewed electoral systems. I want rules that diminish the power of divisive forces and make candidates appeal to a broad rather than a narrow segment of the electorate. (which sucks if you are a movement conservative or a a socialist, or a race based candidate, but is good for the country). Lets be honest. I don't like the ruling either. I think it advantages the Al Sharton's and David Dukes of the world. But lets not pretend to be poor innocents here. To  quote Doc Holiday "My hypocrisy only goes so far". There are a number of ways to have a free and fair election. Each will favor an outcome. Choose accordingly. Madison sure as hell did and I don't recall him ever apologizing for gaming the system he created. In fact he was quite up front about it.
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[tombogan03884]

You need help.
The only way to hold a fair election is one voter, one vote. The rest is socialist BS.
FQ, your problem is you wasted to much time reading Locke, Mill,Russo (sp check is no help with  that one    )
And those other do nothing "thinkers" when you should have been studying the wars and their causes.
Instead of wasting time on "theorists" you should have concentrated on those who actually DID things.

[philw]

least you can choose to vote or not

here we get fined if we don't vote for the Federal or State Elections 

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[fightingquaker13]

least you can choose to vote or not

here we get fined if we don't vote for the Federal or State Elections 

Do you get the option of the null vote? Eg "none of the above"?
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[philw]

Do you get the option of the null vote? Eg "none of the above"?
FQ13

yea  however you still have to turn up on vote day to get your name checked off


or organise a postal vote before  hand if you can not vote on the day   if not  you get fined

[tombogan03884]

Phil, that's not actually a bad Idea.
 We got to this point because of elections with 40% turn out.

[fightingquaker13]

Phil, that's not actually a bad Idea.
 We got to this point because of elections with 40% turn out.

I think Greece has the best system of compulsary voting. If you don't vote, you can't renew your passport. Eg, you made this mess, you're stuck with it till the next election.
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[david86440]

I think Greece has the best system of compulsary voting. If you don't vote, you can't renew your passport. Eg, you made this mess, you're stuck with it till the next election. ;D
FQ13

So how do you get back home if you are out of the country, miss the election, and your passport is due for renewal?