Kel-Tec RFB

[Pathfinder]

Now that I am among the ranks (however temporarily) of the employed again, and having sold off a few safe queens, I am looking seriously at the Kel-Tec RFB.



http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/rfb.htm

No one locally carries it in stock, and I am concerned I will have to buy it to see it. So a bunch of questions for folks here:

Has anyone actually handled it and better yet fired it?

Are there any quality issues with the form, materials, fit, etc.?

How is the trigger?

What is the accuracy to 400 yards? The RFB does have a 18" barrel even though its overall length is 26.1". Benefits of a bullpup design.

What is the retail price in the stores?

Thanks all.

[fightingquaker13]

Path
Here is my honest advice. It looks cool. But, to quote Haz, let someone else do your beta testing. Buy an AK or an AR, or an M1-A or an FN or even a G-3. With these, you have plenty of cheap mags, spare parts and decades of proven perfomance. I'd buy the cool new whiz bang for the range, but for a SHTF rifle? I'll go with tried and true. Just my .02. YMMV.
FQ13

[Solus]

I would love to see a range report on this weapon.  While disillusioned with the bullpup  design, I still harbor a fondness for it and always hope it's deficiencies will be overcome with each new model.

The forward ejection does eliminate the problem of ejection right inches from your ear and might eliminate some of the extra noise there also.  It also makes a truly ambidextrous (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous) design possible.

From an ascetic standpoint, the periodic ejection of a case or two from the front reminds me of the slow stool to the collection bag of someone with some type of intestinal bypass.  I'll get used to it if the rest of the design measures up.

   

[ericire12]

There is a great deal to read about here:
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?board=499

[Pathfinder]

Path
Here is my honest advice. It looks cool. But, to quote Haz, let someone else do your beta testing. Buy an AK or an AR, or an M1-A or an FN or even a G-3. With these, you have plenty of cheap mags, spare parts and decades of proven perfomance. I'd buy the cool new whiz bang for the range, but for a SHTF rifle? I'll go with tried and true. Just my .02. YMMV.
FQ13

I have the SHTF guns, and am not interested in any more 50-60 year old technologies, even if DSA builds them. As for mags, these use FAL mags, still fairly cheap on the market, so 50-year old technology does live on a little with this one. 

This is a 7.62x51 honest to goodness full-size rifle round, reports are that recoil is so well controlled through the bullpup design that muzzle rise in rapid fire is virtually non-existent.

I too have heard all of the evil things that bullpups represent (hence the trigger and quality questions), yet there are quite a few front-line world-wide - the French (!!!!!) use the design as their standard (FAMAS), as do the Brits with the re-engineered SA-80. The Israelis rolled a bullpup to its high-prestige brigades (Tavor or TAR-21). Even the AK has been bullpupped. There is a special issue from G*A that covers a large number of bullpups around the world.

So with everyone rolling one or another out, something has changed. I want to look at it and am (still) looking for something other than honest opinions. The KTOG is barely a step in the right direction, altho I have not gone through the whole site yet.

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[Rob10ring]

(I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous)   

That's funny! Gain ambidexterity, only to become extremely monodextrous. Seriously, my wife is ambi and I'm jealous.

[fightingquaker13]

That's funny! Gain ambidexterity, only to become extremely monodextrous. Seriously, my wife is ambi and I'm jealous.

It just takes practice. As a lefty, you are forced to learn. I can, and do, do everything but write with my left hand. Eating, cuting, shooting etc. its what ever hand is there. The thing that prevents me from buying RH bolts is left eye dominance, not left handedness.
FQ13

[r_w]

I like the rifle on paper, too.

but it is a Kel-Tec...

[Solus]

Seems they are reporting a smooth trigger pull for this one.  I want that confirmed by a few more sources..

There was also the procedure to clear a jam.  Disassemble.   I guess getting rid of the standard ejection port would cause some complications.   Again, that was one person's report.  I'd like to hear if that is the only procedure.

 

[bafsu92]

I handled one and the trigger felt ok dry firing. A little better than your average AR trigger. I liked it ok but decided it wasn't as solid feeling as I'd like for the $1800 firm they were asking. If I could get one around $1500 max I'd most likely own it.