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sanjuancb

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H1 Steel?
« on: August 13, 2010, 09:39:18 PM »
I was looking at Spyderco knives and noticed that the make one called the "Pacific Salt" is similar to the Endura, but in a steel (H1) that is supposed to be rust-proof but is excellent at cutting as well. Does anyone have any experience with this steel?
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tombogan03884

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Re: H1 Steel?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2010, 01:29:43 AM »
My "Machinery's Hand Book" doesn't list it but it is probably a tool steel and should take a good edge.
Will it hold the edge ? Don't know.
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Re: H1 Steel?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2010, 04:49:59 AM »
http://www.masteel.co.uk/hi.htm

Pressure vessel steel made per a DIN standard.

Just a guess here but it's a carbon steel that also contains chromium and nickel.  Some high carbon stainless materials, after heat treatment and polishing can be corrosion resistant, to a point.

Now, I think Spyderco makes a great product, the H1 designation is probably just advertising.

Some of the best knife edges are produced by a 80 year old guy in Japan who hand hammers, tempers and folds knife blades in a home made furnace.  His knives are sold for big bucks to sushi mi chefs.  They are so high in carbon that you need to dry the blade after you make each slice off the bait (sushi) to stop the corrosion.

http://www.epicedge.com/shopexd.asp?id=83466

I'm from the mid west, raw fish is something you use to catch REAL food!

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Re: H1 Steel?
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2010, 09:19:28 AM »
Found this link.   Sounds pretty good.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2231171
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Re: H1 Steel?
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2010, 12:35:50 PM »
Thanks Solus,
FTL;
"H-1 is a Japanese steel so the "H" designations for a USA steel would not correlate."

Explains why it wasn't in my book.  (which I bet Tim has as well  ;D  )

Tim, that was a cool link on the Chefs knives.


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Re: H1 Steel?
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Re: H1 Steel?
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2010, 01:00:25 PM »
Hmmm....I was going to buy one of these as a everyday carry (low maintenance) defensive knife, but if I doesn't hold an edge as well as 440 I might have to look at the regular Endura. Thanks for the help!
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Re: H1 Steel?
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2010, 03:24:03 PM »
Quote from: sanjuancb on August 14, 2010, 01:00:25 PM
Hmmm....I was going to buy one of these as a everyday carry (low maintenance) defensive knife, but if I doesn't hold an edge as well as 440 I might have to look at the regular Endura. Thanks for the help!

Was comparing it to the Endura also.  It's blade is 1/16 longer than the Endura and it's tip is a bit more rounded.  About the edge holding, if you carry it solely as a defensive knife, and carry another blade for everyday chores, how much edge wear will it suffer?

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Re: H1 Steel?
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2010, 03:31:49 PM »
Quote from: Solus on August 14, 2010, 03:24:03 PM
Was comparing it to the Endura also.  It's blade is 1/16 longer than the Endura and it's tip is a bit more rounded.  About the edge holding, if you carry it solely as a defensive knife, and carry another blade for everyday chores, how much edge wear will it suffer?

The bane (sorry MB  ) of my existence ! most of the edge on my folders stays razor sharp, the tip however rubs on the spine, and dulls with out being opened, let alone used, What irks me most is that that last inch of blade is the one I need sharpest as that's what gets used the most    >:(
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Re: H1 Steel?
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2010, 03:32:41 PM »
Quote from: sanjuancb on August 13, 2010, 09:39:18 PM
I was looking at Spyderco knives and noticed that the make one called the "Pacific Salt" is similar to the Endura, but in a steel (H1) that is supposed to be rust-proof but is excellent at cutting as well. Does anyone have any experience with this steel?

I have some experience with H1. I have not ever had rust and I can get it to pop hair at a zero cant. I personally love the Tazman Salt for emergency defensive usage along with the incredible EDC roll. Great product and I am very upset that I did not get my hands on a Rock Salt when I had the chance. I will not pass up another opportunity again.

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Re: H1 Steel?
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2010, 03:37:35 PM »
Quote from: texcaliber on August 14, 2010, 03:32:41 PM
I have some experience with H1. I have not ever had rust and I can get it to pop hair at a zero cant. I personally love the Tazman Salt for emergency defensive usage along with the incredible EDC roll. Great product and I am very upset that I did not get my hands on a Rock Salt when I had the chance. I will not pass up another opportunity again.

tex

As mentioned, H1 is a new one to me, How are it's heat treat properties ? Does it seem excessively brittle ?

That is why I will never own or recommend "Puma" knives, they hold an awesome edge, but the hardness makes the blade more like Ceramic than steel.
I once snapped one by twisting it in a piece of clear pine board.
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