I have never seen anything as dangerous as USPSA, IPSC, etc.

[twyacht]

I'm going to agree with FQ. The novice shooter that goes to the range two/three times a year, shoots his groups and is not interested in pursuing anything more, is leaving his proficiency in his hands. Especially, in a SD situation.

A frequent range shooter, practices dry fire drills, and holstering, and drawing, studies, reads, pays to get additional training, has a greater mental, and physical advantage. In some respects, competitive shooting, if nothing else creates a better proficiency.

Muscle memory, movement, tactics and technique, situational awareness, etc,... all count for something other than the previous example.

We have posted and discussed "range horrors", here at DRTV, and I'm certain there are competitive folks that create "horrors" as well.

I also know they are the exception, and usually these horrors are corrected...... I also admire Col. Jeff Cooper.

"I would add another reason - practice. Anyone who has ever been deeply involved in warfare knows that the only way to learn to fight is to fight. This may not be a popular view with the grass eaters, but I defy them to disprove it."
Jeff Cooper

[rojawe]

I shoot IDPA for pratice to learn how to draw, cover and other things that you might need if you have to use your weapon. How many people get a ccw and think that will make them bad. Take it for what it is a tool that should help you and it's better than just punching paper. Nothing is perfect and I'm not a member but go when I can to learn and I'm far from fast and enjoy shooting. To each his own

[tombogan03884]

Far as I can tell there is only one thing wrong with any of these "run and gun" games.
The gunning part is fine but f*$k running  
Sign me up for "Service rifle" or bullseye events 

[ratcatcher55]

That's an observation, not a statistic. I took it from noting that Rob Leatham, Bob Vogel, Todd Jarret, Manny Bragg, Max Michel, Thomas Tomasie, Jerry Miculek, KC Eusebio, JJ Recaza, Rodney May, Phil Strader, et al (just to pull a few names off the top of my head) are training military/LEO/security personnel, are military/LEO/security personnel, and/or are former military/LEO/security personnel.  I also note that USAMU personnel spend a substantial portion of their year in competition and that there are a number of LEAs with teams and sponsored shooters active at the national level in USPSA.

If you're really interested in this issue, you might spend some time at brianenos.com - the primary forum for competitive shooters that is also well populated with military/LEO/security personnel who are active competitors and/or trainers.

I think you will find these folks teach gunhandling and markmenship, not tactics or gunfighting.
I would like to take a Todd Green course to be mor efficent and faster: not for gaming but for surviving.
Folks like Ken Hackathorn, Larry Vickers, John Farnam, Paul Howe, Jeff Gonzales and others teach gunfighting and tactic. Ken is the only one I know of the bunch that shoots games.

[Tyler Durden]

What is a tactic?

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[PegLeg45]

What is a tactic?

Dyslexic breath mint?



I apologize........and be with the starving pygmies in New Guinea...........

[ratcatcher55]

What is a tactic?

Tyler,

Itr should be TACTICS but I only had one S left and wanted to save it for Merry Christmas.

[ellis4538]

rc, that's two sssssses

FWIW


Richard

PS:  Actually, sounds like a screwed up clock!

[ratcatcher55]

Hey I'm on a budget here!

[PegLeg45]

Hey I'm on a budget here!

Shortage of S's around here.................except for smart-S's.........