School board meeting shooting - FL

[MikeBjerum]

TAB, I can't understand why you hang out around here.  Most of us accept the fact that our right to carry is the Second Amendment to the Constitution.  Every time something like this comes around you have doom and gloom about "unprepared" or "unqualified" people having a gun and doing more harm than good.  You have all kinds of reasons why we shouldn't carry, or if we carry why we shouldn't use the tool, and all the negatives concerning carrying and protecting ourselves. 

Why can't you look at it from the "glass is half full" side for once, and think about the people that act responsibly, train and practice, and are prepared for confrontation?  Why not accept that many are properly prepared to act rather than worry about someone that may not be trained for the exact circumstance they are in?

In this case in Florida, do you honestly think that this security guard had in depth training and practice that made him better than anyone behind the table concerning neutralizing this threat?  Taking your "glass is half empty" side, how do you justify the fact this security guard shot at the gunman with innocents down range and dangerously in the line of fire?

[TAB]

I bet the law mandated training he had was more then a CCW holders.

[MikeBjerum]

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Looks pretty minimal to me.  You think that 28 hours of training is enough to cover all of this to a level any higher than a responsible citizen would already require of themselves?

[TAB]

No I don't, but I bet its a bunch more then CCW holder gets.

[SwoopSJ]

No I don't, but I bet its a bunch more then CCW holder gets.

I don't know about Kalifornia, but Kentucky at least meets, if not exceeds, their criteria.  I would also venture to say that most security guards are concerned only with getting a job and don't plan on utilizing their weapon.  CCW permit holders, however, are usually carrying with the intent of protecting themselves, as well as their loved ones.  They, therefore, are more likely to make the effort to be better trained / prepared than some guy just trying to earn a paycheck.

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[brosometal]

Heck I figured I would jump on in.

First, a contracting license is probably a poor example in this case, but lets stick with it.  A contracting license or the ability to "contract" in a said state is nothing more than a limit on competition. It is a deal struck by established contractors and the state to limit competition in the contracting industry. I say this from a Libertarian point of view: i.e. laws destroy freedom.  TAB, I understand that you've put plenty of work in to obtain these licenses so please don't take it as a knock on your efforts, but lets call it what it is.  I'm sure that you can and will point to shoddy work done by unlicensed contractors as a reason for these laws, but the fact remains that if you actually believe in freedom, you can see that if a state can say who you can hire to build for you, or enter a contract with is a destruction of freedom.

 How does this get to CCW holders and special treatment?  Hold on I'm trying.  The RTKBA is a constitutionally guaranteed, inalienable right.  CCW laws are a state's efforts to limit a constitutional right.  In other words, both the contracting license and CCW laws are limits on freedom.  Can both get you killed?  Sure.  So can a lot of other things.  That shouldn't be the measure of your personal freedom.

 I totally agree with you about the equality of treatment, however if agreeing to less freedom for the sake of equality its a road you would choose, then take it.  I will not.

[MikeBjerum]

No I don't, but I bet its a bunch more then CCW holder gets.

I refer back to my earlier post - Why do you hang around on a forum that has such an opposing view of firearms and their use?

[brosometal]

I believe Mr. Jones (security guard in question) was also a retired detective if I remember the story correctly...

[TAB]

Heck I figured I would jump on in.

First, a contracting license is probably a poor example in this case, but lets stick with it.  A contracting license or the ability to "contract" in a said state is nothing more than a limit on competition. It is a deal struck by established contractors and the state to limit competition in the contracting industry. I say this from a Libertarian point of view: i.e. laws destroy freedom.  TAB, I understand that you've put plenty of work in to obtain these licenses so please don't take it as a knock on your efforts, but lets call it what it is.  I'm sure that you can and will point to shoddy work done by unlicensed contractors as a reason for these laws, but the fact remains that if you actually believe in freedom, you can see that if a state can say who you can hire to build for you, or enter a contract with is a destruction of freedom.

 How does this get to CCW holders and special treatment?  Hold on I'm trying.  The RTKBA is a constitutionally guaranteed, inalienable right.  CCW laws are a state's efforts to limit a constitutional right.  In other words, both the contracting license and CCW laws are limits on freedom.  Can both get you killed?  Sure.  So can a lot of other things.  That shouldn't be the measure of your personal freedom.

 I totally agree with you about the equality of treatment, however if agreeing to less freedom for the sake of equality its a road you would choose, then take it.  I will not.

I've been screwed less by unliced guys then I have by lic guys.   at about a 20 to 1 raito. 

THe lic really mean nothing to me.  My point in bring up Contracting lic is that its wrong that its harder to get then a CCW.

I see no diffrence between some one that has a CCW and some one that doesn't.  Why should anyone else?


I think every one should be able to get a CCW, but I don't think it should be just a matter of filling out a form and paying for it.  At the very least there needs to be a class on the laws for CCW and the use of force laws in the state.  I also think that if you have a ND, you have proved you can't safely handle a firearm and should lose your CCW for life.  I said ND, not AD.   AD are extremly rare.

[MikeBjerum]