did M1 carbines really fail to penetrate chinese clothing at Chosin?

[wtr100]

this seems highly  unlikely to me

[tombogan03884]

It is my understanding that the quilted uniforms of the Chinese troop did stop M1 carbine rounds.
Comparison tests I did back in the early 90's showed the .30 carbine round to have less penetration than 9mm.

[twyacht]

Wow. That's sad.... How many Garands were used by comparison to the carbine during that battle?

I'll bet they were more effective.

[tombogan03884]

The Garand's and BAR's were indeed far more effective than carbines since they not only packed a lot more punch but they also had far less tendency to freeze up in the cold weather which was another serious draw back to the carbine.

[Pecos Bill]

The Garand's and BAR's were indeed far more effective than carbines since they not only packed a lot more punch but they also had far less tendency to freeze up in the cold weather which was another serious draw back to the carbine.

I guess my Dad was correct .... makes the perfect officers rifle.

Pecos

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[tombogan03884]

I guess my Dad was correct .... makes the perfect officers rifle.

Pecos

As a machinegun Section leader my Dad's issue weapon was a carbine, he traded it for a Garand.
That was mild compared to the squad that traded their MG (water cooled heavy SOB ) to the Black Watch for a case of gin 

[Pecos Bill]

As a machinegun Section leader my Dad's issue weapon was a carbine, he traded it for a Garand.
That was mild compared to the squad that traded their MG (water cooled heavy SOB ) to the Black Watch for a case of gin 

Now that sounds like the GI's I knew.

Pecos

[tombogan03884]

He had to make them go get the gun back  

He had another story,  His Company   D 2/1 1st Mar Div was in a real quiet sector of the lines for a while, a patrol was sent out that included one of Dad's machine gun crews, when they returned the new Lt leading it was ape sh!t !
One of the ammo bearers fell and an ammo can popped open, it was empty, when the Lt. started berating the Marine for slacking he replied, "Why should I carry ammo when there aren't any guts in the gun".
The crew had removed the breech block and other internals and left them behind to decrease weight.  

[TAB]

I've heard both sides. even the box of truth did a test on this.


I tend to agree with the idea that the rounds that did not go thru were bouncers.

[fightingquaker13]

He had to make them go get the gun back  

He had another story,  His Company   D 2/1 1st Mar Div was in a real quiet sector of the lines for a while, a patrol was sent out that included one of Dad's machine gun crews, when they returned the new Lt leading it was ape sh!t !
One of the ammo bearers fell and an ammo can popped open, it was empty, when the Lt. started berating the Marine for slacking he replied, "Why should I carry ammo when there aren't any guts in the gun".
The crew had removed the breech block and other internals and left them behind to decrease weight.  

I'm surprised the Lt. didn't have an aneurism. Nothing sadder than a machine gun team yelling "Bang, Bang,Bang" during a Chinese charge.
FQ13