New Hope for Haiti

[twyacht]

Baby Doc, is a Saddam wannabe, murder political opponents, Al Capone in charge policy, with a baseball bat and armed thug militia. Papa Doc was just as bad. Apple don't fall far from the tree..... he left for France (go figure), with how many millions of dollars? Either way, Haiti is our geographic Somalia.

I thought all the millions of dollars donated by mostly Americans,(still being squandered), and especially with Bill Clinton as ambassador,
all this would be over by now...

They have nothing, offer nothing, contribute nothing, build nothing, manufacture nothing, the world wants. It takes a dictator rule a bunch of uneducated peasants.

Preferably, not a corrupt former dictator, but than I digress...

[tombogan03884]

Baby Doc, is a Saddam wannabe, murder political opponents, Al Capone in charge policy, with a baseball bat and armed thug militia. Papa Doc was just as bad. Apple don't fall far from the tree..... he left for France (go figure), with how many millions of dollars? Either way, Haiti is our geographic Somalia.

I thought all the millions of dollars donated by mostly Americans,(still being squandered), and especially with Bill Clinton as ambassador,
all this would be over by now...

They have nothing, offer nothing, contribute nothing, build nothing, manufacture nothing, the world wants. It takes a dictator rule a bunch of uneducated peasants.

Preferably, not a corrupt former dictator, but than I digress...

You mean like that other 3rd world sh!thole

New Orleans   

[billt]

Haiti is a total lost cause regardless of who leads or runs it. Much like every other black run, black populated country on this planet, it always has been, is now, and always will be a corrupt, impoverished, disease ridden stink hole. That is not a "racist" statement, but rather one of fact. Everywhere they, (blacks), populate and rule in any great numbers they destroy prosperity wherever it exists. As was pointed out, one has to look no further than New Orleans in this country, or else Detroit to see what can happen.

The best and most recent example you have in the world is South Africa. When De Klerk ran it the country was the economic powerhouse of Africa. When Nelson Mandela took over it was destroyed in only months. The crime rate soared, property values plummeted, businesses along with invested money left. Now it's been reduced to yet another crime ridden, black governed African stink hole, where 70% of the black women residents are HIV positive. I'm sorry, but I have to call it like I see it, and this is plainly visible all over the world. Haiti is just the best example of it. It was worthless before the earthquake hit.

I'm sick and tired of hearing about these people and what they "need". It never ends, and it never will. This is what happens when a country sits and does nothing to help itself, and becomes totally reliant on others to do everything for them. All they can do is create blame and excuses. I'm sick of hearing about it and them. The country is unfixable until the people who live there learn how to become productive and help their own cause. That will NEVER happen. Bill Clinton and all the money in the world won't help. We've been spoon feeding that $h!thole for decades, and it's worse now than it's ever been. Until tomorrow when it will be worse.  Bill T.

[r_w]

Haiti is just the best closest example of it.

But really, how much difference is there between Haiti or SA and any progressive run white govenrment?  Other than the speed of the fall.

[billt]

But really, how much difference is there between Haiti or SA and any progressive run white govenrment?  Other than the speed of the fall.

You are giving the politically correct reply, and I understand that. Haiti is black run and always has been. That is why I made that direct comparison. If there is a black run government of ANY type, progressive, conservative, or otherwise, where prosperity is, or has been achieved, let alone maintained, I would like to know about it so I could stand corrected.  Bill T.

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[r_w]

I did not mean it that way.  I meant, have you ever seen a conservative black government? 

They have all been progressive to dictatorships IFAIK.  Only conservative blacks I can think of are/were Christian. 

They all follow a pattern of corruption, greed, and personal power at the expense of the people.  kind of like our congress today. 

[crusader rabbit]

They say from the air that the border between the Dominican Republic and Haiti is as apparent as night and day - lush and green on the DR side, dirt brown on the Haiti side.

Some years back, I delivered a modified crew boat from Florida to Dominican Republic.  From the sea, the border between the two countries is as obvious as it is from the air.  On the Haitian side, not a blade of grass remains. The Haitians have used up everything that will burn as fuel.   And the stripped land is visible for many miles out to sea.  On the DR side, the jungle remains rich and lush, and when we landed I found that the people are proud of that fact that theirs is a tropical paradise.  The DR is not a rich country, and the government is certainly a bastion of corruption, but the people are willing to work, and they seem to recognize that indiscriminate sex DOES have consequences. Of course, their history is Spanish, not French.  That may account for some of the difference.  I think voo-doo has also played a part in the Haitian misery.  The old tales suggest that the Haitians sold themselves to the devil to rid themselves of the French.  On the surface, it would seem like a fair deal (LOL)--but history would suggest otherwise.

[billt]

I did not mean it that way.  I meant, have you ever seen a conservative black government?  

They have all been progressive to dictatorships IFAIK.  Only conservative blacks I can think of are/were Christian.  

They all follow a pattern of corruption, greed, and personal power at the expense of the people.  kind of like our congress today.  

What you're saying is true. They will never change. If they, (the blacks), could, they would have by now. Yes, there are white dictatorships, and progressive governments as well. One only has to look at Europe. But there is prosperity, even in some of the more socialistic European governments. They live with pride and cleanliness, and it shows. But the same cannot be said in the black run, corrupt dictatorships throughout the world. Haiti, Trinidad, Tobago, most every country in Africa, and on and on. All are violent, poverty stricken, corrupt, filthy, impoverished, stink holes. All of them, regardless of how much foreign intervention or money is poured into them. All are a lost cause. In short there is a very visible pattern. No one mentions it because you'll be called "racist" if you do. As far as I'm concerned that word has lost most all of it's meaning.  Bill T.

[tombogan03884]

But really, how much difference is there between Haiti or SA and any progressive run white govenrment?  Other than the speed of the fall.

Your examples prove Bill's point. South Africa was a prosperous self reliant nation under white rule, in spite of UN sanctions. Since the Blacks took over the only people who move there are from Zimbabwe fleeing the 1,000% inflation. (Which used to be the prosperous White ruled nation of Rhodesia ). No nation on earth has maintained a history of peace, equality, and prosperity under black rule.

[billt]

They all follow a pattern of corruption, greed, and personal power at the expense of the people.  kind of like our congress today.  

The difference is our Congress is financially supported by the people, along with the money they earn and the taxes we all pay. The people of Haiti cannot even support themselves without constant handouts, let alone a corrupt government. The only way the Haitian government can sustain itself is by stealing money from foreign countries like the United States who are stupid enough to give it to them, and actually think they will use it for the betterment of the people.  Bill T.