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Re: Full Auto From A Semi Legally
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2011, 12:15:26 PM »
ATF had classed this as a "machine gun" and tried to charge the designer. I had not heard that they had been forced to reverse that.

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Re: Full Auto From A Semi Legally
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2011, 12:18:01 PM »
Is it just me or is anyone else wondering whether that $319 includes a coupon for a lawyer? ;D
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Re: Full Auto From A Semi Legally
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2011, 12:58:35 PM »
They are advertising 38 units currently in stock.  Bill T.

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Re: Full Auto From A Semi Legally
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2011, 01:13:14 PM »
They are advertising 38 units currently in stock.  Bill T.
What are you waiting for? We'll be watching eagerly for a report (and we promise to help raise bail money). ;D
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Re: Full Auto From A Semi Legally
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Re: Full Auto From A Semi Legally
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2011, 01:27:11 PM »
we promise to help raise bail money. FQ13

Why do you think they are illegal?   Bill T.

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Re: Full Auto From A Semi Legally
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2011, 01:33:23 PM »
Tom Gresham interviewed the designer some time ago (A year, maybe 2 ).
At that time he was battling the ATF who he had submitted an example to for approval, they broke it, then turned around and tried to charge him with manufacturing a "Machine gun". I have not heard anything about it since.
Bill, pay no attention to FQ, considering all the "Fire Storm" "Hellfire" and other trigger "actuators" on the market he is simply demonstrating his liberal lack of knowledge.

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Re: Full Auto From A Semi Legally
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2011, 01:40:10 PM »
In a nutshell, FQ, to answer your question on legality: It is legal under 'current' standards because the actuator is controlled by the shooter and is not a component of the internal working mechanism of the trigger group. The internal trigger control is not affected like it would be with a sear disconnect altering mechanism.
This unit seems to control the rate of fire based on external manipulation of the trigger. It appears to use the recoil inertia of the rifle to press the trigger faster than the shooter would normally be able to do with just a finger. In the video note the stock sliding back and forth with recoil as the trigger finger rests against the sliding unit. (this is all just supposition based on what I saw in the video).


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Re: Full Auto From A Semi Legally
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2011, 01:42:40 PM »
If its legal, great. I'd just rather someone else do the beta testing on that issue. Honestly though, if I could get a FA AR I couldn't afford to feed it. :-\
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Re: Full Auto From A Semi Legally
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2011, 01:46:33 PM »
If its legal, great. I'd just rather someone else do the beta testing on that issue. Honestly though, if I could get a FA AR I couldn't afford to feed it. :-\
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I'd be more concerned about the second part of your post  ;D
As I remember the interview, after the ATF decision they made him responsible for recovering the ones he had already sold, so the burden would not be on the person who bought one in good faith.
I would also wonder about lost accuracy.
And pinched fingers  ;D

 

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