21st Centurys Handgun

[MikeBjerum]

http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/gear/2007/09/electronic-rifle-revisit

Remington tried all of that with the "Etronix". It used special primers in it's ammunition that fired electronically. Lock time was reduced to all but nothing. It was a total flop. Voere, tried caseless ammunition in a bolt action rifle. It also was a flop. Gun people are traditionalists. Look at how long it took the Glock, along with synthetic stocks to really gain acceptance. Electronics and guns just don't seem to mix. A bit like putting mag wheels and a spoiler on a stagecoach.  Bill T.

True, but we have eighty-eight years, nine months and 30 days to perfect an existing prototype and for shooters to come around.  I think Glock did it in far less time than that!

[Paraguy]

Sorry, all of the responses above are wrong.  For the correct answer, click this link to see the "Metal Storm" technology which by the end of this century will be used to make THE 21st century handgun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLNuBq0NQJE&feature=fvw

I look forward to seeing everyone agree with me ;-)

[MikeBjerum]

Sorry, all of the responses above are wrong.  For the correct answer, click this link to see the "Metal Storm" technology which by the end of this century will be used to make THE 21st century handgun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLNuBq0NQJE&feature=fvw

I look forward to seeing everyone agree with me ;-)

More than one of us referred to the Metal Storm technology in our responses.  So, I don't know whether to be nasty to you for not catching it or to congratulate you for having a following that is actually ahead of you 

[Paraguy]

More than one of us referred to the Metal Storm technology in our responses.  So, I don't know whether to be nasty to you for not catching it or to congratulate you for having a following that is actually ahead of you 

Busted, guilty as charged  I did read previous posts but obviously not close enough.

[MikeBjerum]

Busted, guilty as charged  I did read previous posts but obviously not close enough.

We speak in a special code around here.  Somewhere around 1K posts you start to figure it out, but it doesn't totally make sense until M'ette sticks her preferred vehicle up your butt    Then just before the monkeys come flying out the light bulb will come on 

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[Paraguy]

We speak in a special code around here.  Somewhere around 1K posts you start to figure it out, but it doesn't totally make sense until M'ette sticks her preferred vehicle up your butt    Then just before the monkeys come flying out the light bulb will come on 

I am looking forward to being enlightened!

[twyacht]

As a certain member posted "who is known and yet may not be known".

    "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."

Han Solo,

 

[tombogan03884]

http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/gear/2007/09/electronic-rifle-revisit

Remington tried all of that with the "Etronix". It used special primers in it's ammunition that fired electronically. Lock time was reduced to all but nothing. It was a total flop. Voere, tried caseless ammunition in a bolt action rifle. It also was a flop. Gun people are traditionalists. Look at how long it took the Glock, along with synthetic stocks to really gain acceptance. Electronics and guns just don't seem to mix. A bit like putting mag wheels and a spoiler on a stagecoach.  Bill T.

Bill, you are missing some facts, Colt's first revolver Company went broke, The "Patterson" while a technological innovation was a commercial flop. Glock did not invent the Polymer pistol, it's Steyr predecessor was a commercial flop.Those are just 2 examples off the top of my head.
The problem with caseless ammo (Walther has been working on it for decades ) seems to be residue fouling. the rest of the technology was pretty much perfected by Daisy back in the 60's. (I forget the designation, M25 will know, he's got one )
The electronics industry has advanced greatly since the "Etronix" which predates cell phone technology, let alone something like the Droid.
Another thing we may be overlooking is air guns. They are available now in rifles that will take most game. It woul not take much to convert that technology into a practical, reliable larger bore SD hand gun.
Another possibility is "Guided" ammunition.

[TAB]

I honestly can't see guided ammo, but we already have air bursting rounds that you can adjust the range.

if we get some type of new ( method or material) way to propell a bullet caseless is not a option.  Atleast for anything other then "its cool".



one of the major issues( atleast in the US) for a electicaly fired gun is, the ATF calls it a machine gun if its a auto loader.( reality it might as well be as it would be super easy to make it so)  bolts, levers, single shot and pumps are ok.

[billt]

The electronics industry has advanced greatly since the "Etronix" which predates cell phone technology, let alone something like the Droid.

The Remington Etronix was introduced in 1999, and was commercially avaliable in 2000, barely a decade ago. It isn't so much the electronics as it is the primers. Regardless of the electronic or electric principals employed, you are basically using a electronically generated spark to fire the priming mixture instead of a percussion strike from a conventional firing pin. Not much different than a spark plug in a car. The only advantage to the whole concept was decreased lock time. Even that has minimal advantages. None what so ever in a hunting rifle. Electronics in a gun are a weak link, regardless of how advanced they are.

Caseless ammo had it's best shot in the Vulcan Rapid Fire Cannons. It was hoped it would eliminated a lot of jamming because only the back portion of the case itself that had the rim and held the primer was metallic. The rest was consumed on firing. As you mentioned the biggest problem to overcome was fouling. The gun managed to foul up well before a conventional cased weapon would jam up. Even on the big 30 MM guns it was very problematic.

The Caseless Ammo Daisy had was the VL-22 back in the 60's. It used compressed hot air much like a Diesel engine uses, to fire the caseless propellant that was attached to the back of the bullet and held there by a reverse taper cast or swaged on to the back of the slug itself. It was a neat little rifle. It's a nice collector piece today if you can find the ammo to go with it.  Bill T.