Open Carry Confrontation,...Just A Matter Of Time Before A Citizen Gets Shot

[twyacht]

Take a listen.

http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/03/robert-farago/open-carry-confrontation/

Philadelphia. It’s only a matter of time before the cops shoot an open carry advocate. Whose fault would that be? Who would that please?

The background conversation is interesting if you hear it.....

He was later exonerated...and all charges were dropped.

[Timothy]

Not surprising from the PD that burned down a complete city block about twenty years ago...

phuq them...

[kmitch200]

The shield says "Honor-Service-Integrity"
It doesn't say anything about being able to read their own directives or laws.
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GENERAL: 1272 09/22/10 12:53:20
TO : ALL COMMANDING OFFICERS / DEPARTMENT HEADS
SUBJECT : FIREARM OPEN CARRY LAW IN PHILADELPHIA

1. DIRECTIVE 137, ENTITLED “FIREARMS” IS BEING UPDATED
CONCERNING THE PENNSYLVANIA OPEN CARRY LAWS
REGARDING THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA. THIS TELETYPE
REFLECTS THE NEW POLICY AS IT WILL APPEAR IN THE
DIRECTIVE.
2. ALL OFFICERS SHOULD BE AWARE THAT PENNSYLVANIA IS
CONSIDERED AN “OPEN CARRY STATE” WITH THE EXCEPTION OF
PHILADELPHIA. IT IS IMPORTANT TO DEFINE A FEW TERMS USED,
WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS:

“OPEN CARRY” REFERS TO THE ACT OF OPENLY AND VISIBLY
CARRYING A FIREARM ON ONE’S PERSON.

“OPEN CARRY STATE” REFERS TO A STATE THAT ALLOWS
PEOPLE TO OPENLY AND VISIBLY CARRY A FIREARM ON ONE’S
PERSON WITHOUT A SPECIAL LICENSE OR PERMIT.

“CONCEALED CARRY FIREARMS LICENSE” REFERS TO A SPECIFIC
LICENSE ISSUED TO AN INDIVIDUAL AUTHORIZING THE PERSON
TO CARRY A FIREARM CONCEALED ON HIS OR HER PERSON OR
VEHICLE.


3. IN PHILADELPHIA, UNLIKE ANY OTHER PART OF THE STATE, FOR
ANY PERSON TO LAWFULLY, OPENLY AND VISIBLY CARRY A
FIREARM, THAT PERSON MUST HAVE A CONCEALED CARRY
FIREARMS LICENSE. SO, IN PHILADELPHIA, IF A PERSON HAS A
VALID CONCEALED CARRY FIREARMS LICENSE, HE OR SHE CAN
LEGALLY CARRY A FIREARM EITHER OPEN AND VISIBLE OR
CONCEALED.
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Arguing the law at gunpoint with a LEO is risky at best.
One perceived 'wrong' move and your family will be dealing with the consequences. This could have been handled better on both ends.

[MikeBjerum]

The cop is an idiot and doesn't have the knowledge he needs, but the citizen needs to watch The Best Defense episode on not debating/arguing your Rights in this situation.

Cops were wrong and citizen handled it poorly ... Glad he lived ... But then again I was getting a headache from the sound quality and didn't make it all the way through.

[Solus]

Here lies the body of John O'Day
Who died defending his right of way.
His Right was clear,
His Will was strong
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong.

[Sponsor]

[tt11758]

The cop is an idiot and doesn't have the knowledge he needs, but the citizen needs to watch The Best Defense episode on not debating/arguing your Rights in this situation.

Cops were wrong and citizen handled it poorly ... Glad he lived ... But then again I was getting a headache from the sound quality and didn't make it all the way through.

BINGO!!!  Something I've included in my gun permit classes, "The time to defend your actions, or question those of a LEO is NOT while you're looking down the business end of his firearm."

Here lies the body of John O'Day
Who died defending his right of way.
His Right was clear,
His Will was strong
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong.

VERY well stated!!

[Hazcat]

The shield says "Honor-Service-Integrity"
It doesn't say anything about being able to read their own directives or laws.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

GENERAL: 1272 09/22/10 12:53:20
TO : ALL COMMANDING OFFICERS / DEPARTMENT HEADS
SUBJECT : FIREARM OPEN CARRY LAW IN PHILADELPHIA

1. DIRECTIVE 137, ENTITLED “FIREARMS” IS BEING UPDATED
CONCERNING THE PENNSYLVANIA OPEN CARRY LAWS
REGARDING THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA. THIS TELETYPE
REFLECTS THE NEW POLICY AS IT WILL APPEAR IN THE
DIRECTIVE.
2. ALL OFFICERS SHOULD BE AWARE THAT PENNSYLVANIA IS
CONSIDERED AN “OPEN CARRY STATE” WITH THE EXCEPTION OF
PHILADELPHIA. IT IS IMPORTANT TO DEFINE A FEW TERMS USED,
WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS:

“OPEN CARRY” REFERS TO THE ACT OF OPENLY AND VISIBLY
CARRYING A FIREARM ON ONE’S PERSON.

“OPEN CARRY STATE” REFERS TO A STATE THAT ALLOWS
PEOPLE TO OPENLY AND VISIBLY CARRY A FIREARM ON ONE’S
PERSON WITHOUT A SPECIAL LICENSE OR PERMIT.

“CONCEALED CARRY FIREARMS LICENSE” REFERS TO A SPECIFIC
LICENSE ISSUED TO AN INDIVIDUAL AUTHORIZING THE PERSON
TO CARRY A FIREARM CONCEALED ON HIS OR HER PERSON OR
VEHICLE.


3. IN PHILADELPHIA, UNLIKE ANY OTHER PART OF THE STATE, FOR
ANY PERSON TO LAWFULLY, OPENLY AND VISIBLY CARRY A
FIREARM, THAT PERSON MUST HAVE A CONCEALED CARRY
FIREARMS LICENSE. SO, IN PHILADELPHIA, IF A PERSON HAS A
VALID CONCEALED CARRY FIREARMS LICENSE, HE OR SHE CAN
LEGALLY CARRY A FIREARM EITHER OPEN AND VISIBLE OR
CONCEALED.
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Arguing the law at gunpoint with a LEO is risky at best.
One perceived 'wrong' move and your family will be dealing with the consequences. This could have been handled better on both ends.

Problem with the above is that in PA the state occupies the whole field of firearm law and the city is NOT allowed to change it.  If it is legal in PA it is legal in Philly!

[kmitch200]

Problem with the above is that in PA the state occupies the whole field of firearm law and the city is NOT allowed to change it.  If it is legal in PA it is legal in Philly!

Philly didn't change it.
The PA law created a 'special' requirement for population centers over a milliion, which there is only one - Philly.

That seems to be the gist of #3 above - telling the cops that open carry is now legal with a CCW. Too bad they don't know care about the law.

[ratcatcher55]

Philadelphia. It’s only a matter of time before the cops shoot at.....

Fixed it for you. With the currently greatly reduce requirements to be a Philly cop, the chances of a hit on target are small.

Frank Rizzo spins in his grave.

[tombogan03884]

Good ole Frank, I thought I was the only one who remembered him.