Our Own Presidential Poll

[MikeBjerum]

Fine, but you also have to take a test to vote. You have to score over 75% on a civics test to prove your competent to vote .

Also, if you miss spell more than 2 words in a single post you lose your 1st amendment rights.

Or just let us exercise our Rights 

[tombogan03884]

Or just let us exercise our Rights 

What an incredible frigging idea !

[philw]

what happened to voting from the roof top   

[bafsu92]

Fine, but you also have to take a test to vote. You have to score over 75% on a civics test to prove your competent to vote .

Also, if you miss spell more than 2 words in a single post you lose your 1st amendment rights.

I was just playing Devil's advocate since this is about the max that I could tolerate or accept in the ideal situation. I hate government intrusion but at the same time there are people out there that I don't really want armed.

[tombogan03884]

Those people have been with us since the dawn of time, and they will be with us till the end of time.
You can not penalize all society based on the few (er ) who should not be allowed to reproduce.

I know FQ and TAB would oppose that, they could lose their free speech in one sentence 

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[Rob10ring]

I was just playing Devil's advocate since this is about the max that I could tolerate or accept in the ideal situation. I hate government intrusion but at the same time there are people out there that I don't really want armed.

Your tests and requirements, if standardized throughout the Country, would be better that the patchwork quilt of crap that we now have, but they are still requirements/infringements. I would tolerate it over what we now have, but I don't want any requirement to exercise my right either. We all know of people, or types that we don't want to be armed, but even with all of California's restrictions, those idiots are still armed. That includes violent felons.

Less than 3 weeks until I leave Kommiefornia and I already have my Utah CCW permit, which is a huge step up in rights - but still an infringement*. The majority of newer handguns can't be purchased in CA (by a civilian), but I'm already eyeing a (banned in CA) Ruger LCP in UT that I won't have to wait 10 days for! Ain't that America!

* I know a guy on the Utah Shooting Sports Council who explained to me why he helped shut down the recent Constitutional carry bill that came up in UT. He said that it contained a provision that you'd have to notify a police officer of your CCW when pulled over. They felt that was an infringement(not true constitutional) and said that they'd come back and pass a good law without that provision, instead of having to fix a bad law later.

[bafsu92]

Your tests and requirements, if standardized throughout the Country, would be better that the patchwork quilt of crap that we now have, but they are still requirements/infringements. I would tolerate it over what we now have, but I don't want any requirement to exercise my right either. We all know of people, or types that we don't want to be armed, but even with all of California's restrictions, those idiots are still armed. That includes violent felons.

Less than 3 weeks until I leave Kommiefornia and I already have my Utah CCW permit, which is a huge step up in rights - but still an infringement*. The majority of newer handguns can't be purchased in CA (by a civilian), but I'm already eyeing a (banned in CA) Ruger LCP in UT that I won't have to wait 10 days for! Ain't that America!

* I know a guy on the Utah Shooting Sports Council who explained to me why he helped shut down the recent Constitutional carry bill that came up in UT. He said that it contained a provision that you'd have to notify a police officer of your CCW when pulled over. They felt that was an infringement(not true constitutional) and said that they'd come back and pass a good law without that provision, instead of having to fix a bad law later.

I hear you and can understand why you'd want no infringements after living in the PRK. I'm not talking about criminals though when I said there are people I just don't want armed, I'm talking about the average gun show attendee who is buying the same Glock his homey has even though none of them will ever go to the range or actually learn to shoot it or be safe with it. I'm talking about the douche at the gun show table who is waving around the pistol he's looking at while repeatedly covering my 7 year old son's head withe the muzzle. The same douche who then wants to start a fight with me when I tell him he should learn and practice some basic gun handling rules before buying said pistol. No apologies only a "chill dude, the shit aint loaded or nuthin'". And a strike against the dealer who not only wants to sell to the guy but gives me a dirty look over this exchange.

See I'm all for my Constitutional rights but you have to get a license to drive a car and prove you're at least a little competent with it. I know a car is dangerous and can kill but a pistol in the wrong hands can kill even easier. It's very easy to get your CCW here in FL and lots of people have them who have no business carrying a pair of toe-nail clippers let alone a pistol.  We just had a ND in Orlando this past week with some Plaxico wanna be gansta carrying a XD9 in his pants pocket, loose with all his keys and crap. I guess he was playing with it instead of pocket pool and threw a round off his thigh and into a tile floor of a crowded restaurant injuring 6 people, including a couple of kids with tile shards. Situations like this are ammo for the no carry of any type lobby to try for more restrictions.

I hate giving up any rights but if it keeps people like this from carrying in public I feel like in the long run it will ensure responsible people a better chance of keeping their right to carry. I was more hardline on this before I had kids but anyone who carries regularly knows it's a job to properly stay alert and ready to protect yourself but when you have an entire family's safety as your primary responsibility and concern then you're senses are in hyperdrive in every public space. Knowing someone who has no business carrying is not legally doing it makes it a bit easier.

I won't even take my son to gunshows anymore until he's a little older even though he loves to go because of the increased idiot factor there. Most of these people buy their gun, load it and carry it. No range time, no practice. If they had to shoot a qualifying score to carry they may still own the pistol but are much more likely to leave it at home.

[tombogan03884]

Bafsu, you are dreaming if you think you can legislate good sense or good safety practices.
It's been tried without success before.
How often is drinking a factor in car accidents ? They have a lot of laws about that too.

[Rob10ring]

Bafsu, I'm sure that I'm especially sensitive after a lifetime of California regulations and I'm not attacking your ideas. Seeking training is  immensely valuable and responsible. I agree on all of the idiots at the gun shows and bozos who mishandle guns, but I see those idiots carrying all over the place too. I don't like to take my 7 year old daughter to the gun shows either. I just think that we'll have idiots who will misuse and mishandle guns no matter what and we're going to just have to prosecute them.

I'll swallow a shall-issue permit system any day, over CA's "may-issue if you can prove that a killer is chasing you right now" permit.

Tom, are there any decent candidates putting their names in the hat in your opinion? My endorsement of Romney was only pertaining to economic problems that our Country is facing. His flipping all over on guns drives me crazy, but I hope a man can come to his senses on them. An acceptance that guns aren't the problem and that crime and violence are societal comes slower to some. Maybe they don't try to understand that issue when it doesn't mean as much to them as it does to us. RINO, who's electable that is strictly party line anymore and do we accept any party-line Koolaid anyway. I was a big fan of Reagan and he may have been the most to the right of all candidates in my voting life, but I still find that he was softer on some issues than I would have liked. I'm still waiting for a real candidate to step up. I do like Palin somewhat. She's at least way cooler than Hillary.

[Rastus]

First, a comparison to driving is inexact, there is no constitutional provision for "the right to drive".

Incidents with guns will happen....last I checked the sky was not falling.  I am unwilling to trade freedom for a terribly small and insignificant increase in safety.  Anyone born before the 60's, and some after that from rural areas, remember death sentences from disease, stroke, heart attack, etc....we live in a safe society.

Prosecute ND's and make it public....this may serve as a deterrent to irresponsible wannabees who will kill you while driving and texting instead.