What do we do?

[DGF]

" The bottom line is "Did you believe you and your spouse were in imminent danger of bodily harm?" "Were you and your spouse directly threatened and feared for your life?"

If the real answer is yes.

You defend you and your family to STOP THE THREAT.'

Yes, and I agree with that and what most of you have recomended. Were I by myself in that situation I might be willing to take a few punches rather than killing one of the little dears. As I said however I would not allow my wife to be injured. In reading the article it is clear that most of the injuries were superficial with the exception of one unnamed that required surgery. That certainly would be used against you in court. "These were just a bunch of high spirited youngsters that got a little out of hand but didn't deserve to be shot by some gun toting white man."

BTW, I served in the Army, 3rd Batt 84th Arty as a surveyor/forward observer. My TO&E weapons were the 1911 colt 45, the M-14 and the M79 grenade launcher. I really liked the M79.

[david86440]

Merely asking the question denotes no time served in the military.  This is well covered in basic training, with the correct action being thoroughly implanted in your mind.  Hesitation = a dead soldier.  "Dieing for a cause" is what you are there to ensure your enemy does.  Not you.  Your job is to...  (anyone care to finish for me?   )

BTW, I served in the Army, 3rd Batt 84th Arty as a surveyor/forward observer. My TO&E weapons were the 1911 colt 45, the M-14 and the M79 grenade launcher. I really liked the M79.

http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=16986.0

Good going BM, we have a Contessa Brewer moment here on our own forum............

[twyacht]

Well DGF, given the ramifications that the Gov. of WI. is calling State Troopers to maintain order at the fair, and the targets of the mob were white, these are mitigating factors should you find yourself in a similar threat.

One cannot be afraid of legal ramifications, when your life in is in imminent peril. As you are a Veteran, an older and wiser gentleman, a family man, and found yourself  approached by a gang of thugs, hell bent on injury, (the superficial nature of the injuries, I will not bet my life on), regardless of their age, those will work against the punks...and most likely get you a pro bono lawyer from the SAF.

Virginia as I recall, as a former Fairfax County Resident, does remain a pro-gun, state.

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self defense..."
John Adams, A defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the USA, 471 (1788).

All the best, and thank you for your service.

tw

[Solus]

you gotta defend yourself. 

And think...if this mob gets away with mild damage to someone, that only encourages them to go further next time.

[tombogan03884]

Being attacked by 20 or 30 hamsters could be lethal. Teen age hoodlums ? If you have the ability, but don't shoot some of them you deserve what you get.

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[DGF]

I do agree that you have to protect yourself and your family. I would much rather meet these punks here in Virginia than in Wisconsin. But I still worry about everyone scattering and me standing over a dead 15 year old by myself.

Two or so years ago a man and his wife were walking for exercise in their neighborhood here in Northern Virginia. This is a neighborhood of million dollar houses. The husband is  retired CIA. It is evening, and a van pulls up along side of this couple and four young thugs  get out and attack this elderly couple. They beat the husband to death and beat the wife so badly that she was in a coma for  months. She did eventually recover but with lasting injuries. This was in a "safe" neighborhood. This happened only a few miles from where I live. It turns out that this attack was a gang initiation and the perps are in the Loudon County jail awaiting trial. Had the husband been armed the result might have been much different.

I seldom leave the house without a weapon, but it is a heavy burden. The streets of Northern Virginia or the streets of Wisconsin are not combat free fire zones and what we were taught in the military does not apply. It is a fine line we walk.

[Solus]

Honestly. I'd rather spend the rest of my life in prison, if it came to that, then laying on the pavement having my spleen and other organs ruptured by this mob kicking me to death.

[Bic]

All of the above BUT ask yourself before leaving the house "am I about to do stupid things with stupid people in stupid places" this is on of MB's mantras and I observe it constantly. I understand that here in central Texas I'm insulated, for now, from what occurs in the Big City but I wouldn't go to a State Fair/WaterWorld Park......name a place where dumb people go in crowds, for a pension.


MP 

[crusader rabbit]

It's been covered well by others, but I just feel the need to add my two-cents.  

Race is irrelevant.  

Age is irrelevant.  

Threaten me or Bunny, and your next conversation is with St.Peter. 'splain to him why you're there.

Ah'm jus' sayin'...

Crusader Rabbit

[Ichiban]

I have to agree with the overall sentiment here: If you feel that your life or the life of a loved one is in endangered, that is all that matters.

As far as youngsters go, combatants are combatants.  In a previous life I had a shop chief almost killed when he was swarmed by a school (think piranhas) of 10-12 year old Filipino kids.  He could not fight "kids."