It's Not A Pistol Or A Carbine/Rifle... Franklin Armory's AR-15 No NFA Req'd

[billt]

Scottsdale Gun Club here had a select fire M-16 in the plastic wrap, unfired for $25,000.00 for months. They finally sold it. There is no way I could pay that for a weapon that only had a $35.00 sear in it which made it that much more "valuable".

[bafsu92]

Scottsdale Gun Club here had a select fire M-16 in the plastic wrap, unfired for $25,000.00 for months. They finally sold it. There is no way I could pay that for a weapon that only had a $35.00 sear in it which made it that much more "valuable".

As long as it was the gun that was registered and not the sear your ok though. I know a guy that shoots some of the local matches that sold a classic Corvette to buy a never fired, real Colt M-16 for $37,500 and thought it was a better investment than the car. Imagine instead of a registered rifle if you bought one of the registered sear packs for HK from Flemming. If the part that is serialized and registered fails your out your 25k. The good thing is you can own multiple rifles and drop it in so you can in theory have many full autos in different calibers for that one sear pack. You can obviously only shoot one at a time and I'd be nervous about paying that kind of scratch to register a 'wear part" rather than a receiver. I guess if you had that kind of money and wore either out you could just have another machined identically with the same serial numbers then destroy the original. As long as it matches the description and you have the stamp I don't see how they could prove it wasn't it, short of some type of metallurgical testing. Just don't get caught in process.

[tombogan03884]

As long as it was the gun that was registered and not the sear your ok though. I know a guy that shoots some of the local matches that sold a classic Corvette to buy a never fired, real Colt M-16 for $37,500 and thought it was a better investment than the car. Imagine instead of a registered rifle if you bought one of the registered sear packs for HK from Flemming. If the part that is serialized and registered fails your out your 25k. The good thing is you can own multiple rifles and drop it in so you can in theory have many full autos in different calibers for that one sear pack. You can obviously only shoot one at a time and I'd be nervous about paying that kind of scratch to register a 'wear part" rather than a receiver. I guess if you had that kind of money and wore either out you could just have another machined identically with the same serial numbers then destroy the original. As long as it matches the description and you have the stamp I don't see how they could prove it wasn't it, short of some type of metallurgical testing. Just don't get caught in process.

I'm not sure, but I think it is the Assembly that matters. What you are proposing would be no different than having spare springs, or replacements for any other expendable part.

[twyacht]

All that Class III stuff that our range allows, comes with the lovely unwritten clause that the "boys" in blacked out suburbans know who you are, where you are, and can come by to visit your home whenever they like...

Not that they can't do that anyway to lowly folks like me with a C&R, but I'm further down "the list"....

Our Class III dealers have a Thompson for a lot less than $25,000.  Most of the others are $14k to 25k...Including a "real" Colt M-16.
with "happy button"...

[bafsu92]

I'm not sure, but I think it is the Assembly that matters. What you are proposing would be no different than having spare springs, or replacements for any other expendable part.

No, I'm saying that say you have a registered M16 and the receiver cracks and you got a clean, 80% receiver then milled it out the rest of the way and put all matching engravings and markings, including serial number on it. You then took your damaged receiver and through it into a furnace and melted it down. You now have a brand new functional receiver that is identical to your damaged one. What proof could there be that this wasn't the original registered receiver. Your paying to register a model and serial number and that hasn't changed. You're not trying to make a clone and have 2 registered guns on one stamp. It's probably not allowed but how could it be proven?

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[blackwolfe]

I'm not sure, but I think it is the Assembly that matters. What you are proposing would be no different than having spare springs, or replacements for any other expendable part.

Tom,  If I understand you correctly, I don't think you can have the spare parts on hand.  I think it is refered to as constructive possesion.

As far as register sear vs. receiver goes, I understand that the Norrel trigger packs for the Ruger 10-22 are quite durable, more so than the 10-22 itself.  I have heard of 300,000 rounds plus on them with no deterioration in function.  When the 10-22 is worn out, the pack is just switched over to a new 10-22.

[tombogan03884]

Just for you Bafsu 

http://www.cncguns.com/projects/ar15lower.html

[bafsu92]

Just for you Bafsu 

http://www.cncguns.com/projects/ar15lower.html

I know somebody who mills his own receivers already. I guess like anything else if you have the knowledge and the right tools there's not much to it.

[tombogan03884]

Fixtuering and programming  are the biggest problems, and this guy has already figured that part out, need to adjust the programs for different machines but the hard part is done.

[capbyrd]

if you can actaully buy a select fire m16 for 25k, do it.   I've not seen any sell under 30k in about 10 years.  most go for close to 40.

You aren't looking very hard.  Used M16s are still well below 20k. New unfired guns are closer to 20-25. 

http://subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=19540&query=retrieval


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New unfired for 24k. 

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