Since When Is The Term "Indian Giver" "Racist" ??

[fightingquaker13]

Not at all FQ, what I'm saying is if you need AA you don't belong here.
The rest of us believe in earning our stuff.

You missed the sarcasm button on this post. Chill, man.
FQ13

[Pathfinder]

Thats my point Bill. I don't think its crap, I think in this case it IS racist. As to why didn't people care forty years ago, they did, only the ones in charge didn't. I'm no PC maven as you know, but sometimes "PC" is just another term for good manners.  This is one of those times.
FQ13

Gawd, you are such a tool. The phrase stems from whites promising stuff to Indians in the 19th Century, and then reneging on it. Hence the phrase - what are you, an Indian giver? Meaning simply you promised something and now you're not delivering.

And before you get your panties in wad, FQ, reneging has nothing to do with African Americans.

[fightingquaker13]

Gawd, you are such a tool. The phrase stems from whites promising stuff to Indians in the 19th Century, and then reneging on it. Hence the phrase - what are you, an Indian giver? Meaning simply you promised something and now you're not delivering.

And before you get your panties in wad, FQ, reneging has nothing to do with African Americans.

I am well aware of the origin of the term Path. However, the story you tell is not wholly accurate. It actually stems from early settlers taking Indian offers of goods as gifts rather than barter and when reciprocity was not forthcoming the "gifts" were taken back. My complaint is in the usage of the term. Am I the only one here who thinks being polite to people is a good idea? Did being conservative sudenly come to mean being rude? WTF?
FQ13

[mkm]

When I heard about this recent Indian Giver scandel, I was honestly and completely confused.  I always thought an "indian giver" was a white guy who gave the Indians something only to take it back later.  Therefore, I always thought it was putting white folks in the bad light.  I had to look it up to learn that it was based on Indians' actions.  Sometimes people need to get over it, sometimes people need to think before they talk, and usually it's both.

Now quit this Indian bullcrap and start calling them "Native Americans."    

[billt]

Am I the only one here who thinks being polite to people is a good idea? Did being conservative sudenly come to mean being rude? WTF?
FQ13

If you give something and take it back, you're an "Indian Giver". We worry about silly crap like this offending while "educated" kids riot and turn vehicles over because they don't think Paterno should have been fired. Talk about f*#ked up priorities!

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[tombogan03884]

Considering that the people in question are generally very vocal about letting folks know they ARE NOT "Indians", they are "Native Americans", the whole thing is a bunch of crap.
We should have given them all the Mandan treatment then we would not have these issues.

[alfsauve]

In probably one of the more bizarrely Freudian displacement episodes of all time, white folks associated this with Indians. WTF? We made how many treaties and them broke them at our convenience?

Well it may have started when the settlers bought Manhattan Island for a few beads.  Turns out those Indians didn't "own" Manhattan and were just gypsy-like squatters, who got the bead on a con.  The settlers had to pony up much larger amounts of payment to the "real owners" of Manhattan several years latter.

And don't forget Chief McGivelray (sp) of the Creeks, head of the other southern tribes, who played the English against the Spanish and finally threw in with the latter.  While there were many atrocities committed by the settlers/founders there were also  instances where they tried to right things.

[billt]

Considering that the people in question are generally very vocal about letting folks know they ARE NOT "Indians", they are "Native Americans", the whole thing is a bunch of crap.

That song would have been shot to crap if they changed the title and lyrics to "Native American Giver". Leave it to the PC crowd to wreck anything and everything at the drop of a hat, in the name of "what's right".  

[Solus]

Thats my point Bill. I don't think its crap, I think in this case it IS racist. As to why didn't people care forty years ago, they did, only the ones in charge didn't. I'm no PC maven as you know, but sometimes "PC" is just another term for good manners.  This is one of those times.
FQ13

You're not a Maven?  I've been telling folks about the Maven I know online.     "I know this Maven online and *he* says......"

Now what am I gonna do?

[crusader rabbit]

Now quit this Indian bullcrap and start calling them "Native Americans."    

It's Amer-Indians, you racist.

And that term includes all of 'em from Canada to the tip of South America.