Athiests Want Cross Removed From Camp Pendleton. Guess What Marines Said?

[twyacht]

(insert expletive)....

I have an idea....

How about the Marines "pay a visit" to these douchbags. Perhaps "persuade" them to a moment of enlightenment, clarity, and tolerance.

Or throw them off a (insert expletive) cliff....

Video at link.

Slide show here:

http://framework.latimes.com/2011/11/11/honoring-the-fallen/#/2

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/atheists-demand-marines-remove-cross-intended-to-commemorate-the-lives-of-fallen-u-s-soldiers/

Atheists Demand Marines Remove Cross Commemorating Fallen U.S. Soldiers

    * Posted on November 21, 2011 at 8:55am by Billy Hallowell Billy Hallowell
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An atheist group is clashing with U.S. marines at Camp Pendleton in California. The group, the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers (MAAF), is demanding that a cross that was put up on the base to commemorate fallen soldiers be removed.

In recent months, the MAAF has made a splash by taking on Christian themes in the military and championing atheism in the U.S. Armed Forces. Led by Jason Torpy, who was a West Point graduate and who fought in Iraq, the group seems to be following along the same somewhat antagonistic path as the Freedom From Religion Foundation, among other “freethinking” groups.

Recently, Torpy also came out in support of the installment of atheist military chaplains, an interesting proposal considering the notion that it would require non-believers to register as a faith group of sorts.

The latest drama surrounding the Christian symbol unfolded when, on Veterans Day, Marines erected a 13-foot cross to commemorate the lives of their comrades who perished in Iraq. Staff Sgt. Justin Rettenberger, one of the four individuals who is responsible for erecting the cross, explains that the memorial was done to honor Maj. Douglas Zembiec, Maj. Ray Mendoza, Lance Cpl. Aaron Austin and Lance Cpl. Robert Zurheide.

The L.A. Times documented the cross’ placement at the military base:

“We wanted them all to know that they’ll always be in our hearts, that they’ll never be forgotten,” Rettenberger told the Los Angeles Times.

But Torpy, though he understands the urge to remember the lost, says that, because of its placement on federal lands, the cross simply isn’t appropriate. While he claims he typically doesn’t get involved in issues like this, some of his atheist members who serve at Pendleton have asked him to intervene.

“In a lot of ways this is commendable – they’re honoring friends who were probably Christian,” Torpy said. “I think the memorial is appropriate for the individuals who put it up and the friends they’re honoring, but you just can’t walk onto federal land and do it.”

While he says he doesn’t want to be the bad guy, he says that he shouldn’t be the only one standing up in opposition to the cross. It “privileges one religion over another,” he says, going on to claim that ”[Camp Pendleton} should have known better."
The L.A. Times has an excellent slideshow that documents the cross’ story.

Pendleton released a statement saying that the four Marines who put the cross up were not acting in “any official position or capacity” and that the Department of Defense and the U.S. Marine Corps were not endorsing the cross. Torpy, though, says that the religious symbol should have been prevented from being placed on federal land.

According to FOX News, there’s been some strong reaction to atheists demands that the cross be removed. Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council and a former marine, is frustrated over what he sees as “radical” attacks on the military.

“It’s really outrageous and it shows the hostile environment that’s been created by this (Obama) administration towards religious freedom,” he says. “At some point, we have to say, enough is enough.”

Currently, officials are reviewing the situation to determine the appropriateness of the cross’ placement on federal lands.

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Civil Wars have been started over "little" issues like this....(sarcasm on "little").... This is B.S. the wishes of a minority do not outweigh the wishes of a majority.

"In God We Trust"...

[Timothy]

Pendleton is just south of San Clemente.  The loons of Southern Cal are everywhere and the state beach is right outside the northern gate to the base.  There is also San Onofre Nuclear Gen Station across the street.  They get protests quite frequently there as well.

[Solus]

In a Republic, the wish of the majority don't necessarily outweigh the wishes of the minority either.

 

[twyacht]

In a Republic, the wish of the majority don't necessarily outweigh the wishes of the minority either.

 

There are "Crosses" and "Star Of David" headstones in Military Cemeteries around this entire country, and the world....

Even Europe understands....

I cannot believe we can't do better to honor the fallen without debate. Washington's Prayer For the Nation, Lincoln's Prayer, FDR's prayer, JFK's prayer, Reagan's Prayer. etc,...These folks need to STFU.

[MikeBjerum]

I would like to point out that the First Amendment to the United States Constitution states that the government will make no law prohibiting or promoting a given religion.  No where does the Amendment guarantee freedom from any given or all religion.  Also, over the centuries, twenty to be precise, the common cross has become a symbol of comfort to people of many faiths or lack there of.

Today I heard parts of a report on the radio of a country that is banning the name of Jesus in text messages.  They have directed carriers to block the words Jesus and Christ.  I suggest these people that waste our time, energy and finances on stupid lawsuits move to these countries that ban all things Christian.

[Sponsor]

[twyacht]

These are American Graves. on Federal Property....Perhaps these headstones should be re-done.....

Lest We Forget.

[Solus]

I have been an outspoken proponent of seperation of church and state, but I don't see any of the examples here where that is violated.

It would be great if there were crosses and Star of Davids and any other symbol of the religion of the deceased to mark their grave...or no marker if that is the preference.

But, in no way does the marker on the grave next to someone's grave cause a wrong to anyone, particularly the deceased.

Only if you were forced to have a religious symbol placed as a marker for your "deceased" might there be a case.

And I cannot perceive how what I text to anyone can be seen as a violation...If there is any type of violation it would be by the recipient and they would need to handle that.

[Timothy]

Separation of Church and State does not appear in the US Constitution.

It's an opinion of Jefferson that was never added to the document.

[tombogan03884]

Guess What Marines Said?

Would that be , " F*ck you" ?
 

[MikeBjerum]

Separation of Church and State does not appear in the US Constitution.

It's an opinion of Jefferson that was never added to the document.

Not only was this phrase or statement a part of the Constitution or the First Amendment, but it is only Mr. Jefferson's opinion.  Thomas Jefferson was not a part of writing the First Amendment, yet his single phrase has become the litmus test by which all anti-Judeo Christian "experts" try and regulate our lives.