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Leftists prefer Ron Paul over Obama
« on: November 22, 2011, 01:47:27 PM »
http://www.laconiadailysun.com/node/123860/18661

Anti-war Ron Paul attracting support from local left
By Michael Kitch
Nov 22, 2011 12:00 am

LACONIA — Amid polling last week that showed Ron Paul running into the money in both Iowa and New Hampshire there were also signs that he was tapping support from an unexpected quarter — the  left-wing of the Democratic Party.

Lynn Rudmin Chong, former chair of the Belknap County Democratic Committee, has publicly endorsed Paul and said that "I have found other kindred souls." The Sanbornton resident said that she left the Democratic Party and changed her voter registration to "undeclared" in anticipation of  taking a Republican ballot in New Hampshire's first-in-the-nation presidential primary and casting her vote for Paul.

"He is the only one saying no more war," Chong said. She spent two days in Washington with the "Occupy DC" movement, where she said that she was encouraged to see so many young people holding signs supporting Paul.

"I would definitely call myself a progressive," said Will Hopkins of Belmont, who returned from a tour as infantryman in Iraq to become executive director of New Hampshire Peace Action, a group seeking to end foreign wars and cut defense budgets. "I supported Obama in 2008, but I'm supporting Ron Paul. That's where I'm putting my eggs this year," he said. "A lot of folks in the peace movement are taking a close look at Paul."

Signs that liberals and progressives were flirting with Paul appeared last spring, when Robin Koerner, a British national who founded "Watching America," which publishes foreign news about the United States in English, and blogs for the Huffington Post, described Paul as the "conservative champion of liberalism."  He coined the term "Blue Republican" to brand progressives for Paul, which was promptly promoted on Facebook, where his article was shared 11,000 times in less than a week. In July. Koerner posted  "If you love peace, become a 'Blue Republican' (Just for a Year)," telling progressives they do not have to like the GOP "to sign up as a Republican for a year to help make sure that the Republican primaries are won by the one representative who has always been for peace, has always voted against bailouts, and has always opposed the reach of government into your bedroom, your relationships and your person."

On their website  Blue Republicans describe themselves as "people who have never before thought of joining the Republican Party . . . who identify as Democrats or Independents and/or supported Obama in 2008."

Jim Forsythe of Strafford, the state senator from District 4 and chair of Paul's campaign in New Hampshire, said that he was aware of independent voters, both conservatives and liberals, either eying or backing Paul. He said that some some liberals and progressives share Paul's  opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, eagerness to reduce the defense budget at home and military footprint abroad, hostility to the Patriot Act and distrust of corporate power.

"I'm being pragmatic," said Chong, explaining that she would vote for Paul in the primary without showing her hand in the general election. However, she admitted "I am feeling way distanced from Obama."

Hopkins vowed to support Paul in the both the Republican primary and the general election. However, he said that if Paul loses the nomination to another Republican, he will throw his vote to a third party.

Polls conducted by Bloomberg News last week put Paul in second place behind Mitt Romney in both New Hampshire and Iowa with 17-percent and 19-percent respectively. Unlike several other GOP candidates — Michelle Bachman, Rick Perry, Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich — whose polling  numbers have waxed and waned, Paul has polled consistently, without, however, significantly expanding his support.

Another Bloomberg poll indicated that if Paul bolted the GOP to run as a third-party candidate, he would capture 18-percent of the vote, effectively throwing the election to Obama, who would top Romney with 44-percent to 32-percent.

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Re: Leftists prefer Ron Paul over Obama
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2011, 02:01:27 PM »
I don't know about that last point. Paul will get some left wing "peace and pot" votes (and I think they are both good things in their proper context), but that will hurt BO more than the GOP. It also assumes Multiple Choice Mitt gets the nod. If he does, pro-lifers and economic conservatives as well as the more bigoted (anti-Mormon) evangelicals might vote Paul as an independent.

 BUT.......these folks also know even Mitt is a better option than BO, and this isn't the year to be making a fashion statement after the primaries are over. During the primaries fine. In the general, the only reason to vote third party is if you honestly think they can win or you genuinely can't stomach the other two. I think the vast majority of evangelicals have become pragmatic rather than absolutist on the social issues, in that they will take the best they can get. As far as the fiscal conservatives, well, we can count money and know we'll have more with Mitt than BO.
But again this assumes Romney gets the nod, and I am not at all sure that's going to happen. Hell, maybe Paul will get it. If he wins the GOP primary I'd be thrilled.  Its a long way to Super Tuesday Tom, and I am not holding my breath on any of the viable candidates until then, Paul included. Bachman, Huntsman and Santorum can go home now, the rest, we'll see.
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Re: Leftists prefer Ron Paul over Obama
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2011, 07:28:13 PM »
I don't know about that last point. Paul will get some left wing "peace and pot" votes (and I think they are both good things in their proper context), but that will hurt BO more than the GOP. It also assumes Multiple Choice Mitt gets the nod. If he does, pro-lifers and economic conservatives as well as the more bigoted (anti-Mormon) evangelicals might vote Paul as an independent.

 BUT.......these folks also know even Mitt is a better option than BO, and this isn't the year to be making a fashion statement after the primaries are over. During the primaries fine. In the general, the only reason to vote third party is if you honestly think they can win or you genuinely can't stomach the other two. I think the vast majority of evangelicals have become pragmatic rather than absolutist on the social issues, in that they will take the best they can get. As far as the fiscal conservatives, well, we can count money and know we'll have more with Mitt than BO.
But again this assumes Romney gets the nod, and I am not at all sure that's going to happen. Hell, maybe Paul will get it. If he wins the GOP primary I'd be thrilled.  Its a long way to Super Tuesday Tom, and I am not holding my breath on any of the viable candidates until then, Paul included. Bachman, Huntsman and Santorum can go home now, the rest, we'll see.
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Amazing, FQ made a political comment I agree with   :o
 Big surprise, all the local leftists, Chong included, are concentrated at Plymouth State College .

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Re: Leftists prefer Ron Paul over Obama
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2011, 08:51:38 PM »
.....In the general, the only reason to vote third party is if you honestly think they can win or you genuinely can't stomach the other two......

And that is where I am reluctantly going, especially after I heard the statements from the candidates tonight on CNN. Obama, for all intents and purposes, is just a more liberal George W. Bush. And the next president, if they are Republican and not Ron Paul, will be a conservative Barack Obama.

I have been a Republican all my adult life, but I am starting to believe this party has abandoned the principles on which I originally joined.

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Re: Leftists prefer Ron Paul over Obama
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2011, 03:03:59 AM »
Paul's slogan should be "I don't let it all hang out, but you can!!". I know there are alot of Libertarians and anarchists out there who love the guy but society breaks down without rules of social conduct. I'd love to see him in charge of the Fed, (not Treasury).
Paul could be Obamas #1 speech writer on the international circuit because they both say the same thing, ie "We don't matter. What makes us so important?". They both in effect say "Screw Israel" too.. Their foreign policy positions are essentially the same.

I've got an idea.. Lets do what Newt said tonight and knock oil wells down here at such a rate as to collapse the oil markets worldwide.
Once the wells are pumping the oil, we can reinvent the water engine and really stick it to those mean old oil guys... Then we can take the money we don't spend on gasoline and open banks that dispense gold at ATMs and really stick it to the Illuminati.
There.. Did I miss anybody??

Sorry.. I can't think about Ron Paul for more than 12 seconds without going into an intellectual spasm..
With friends like these, who needs hallucinations!..

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Re: Leftists prefer Ron Paul over Obama
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Re: Leftists prefer Ron Paul over Obama
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2011, 12:47:07 PM »
....Paul could be Obamas #1 speech writer on the international circuit because they both say the same thing, ie "We don't matter. What makes us so important?". They both in effect say "Screw Israel" too.. Their foreign policy positions are essentially the same......Sorry.. I can't think about Ron Paul for more than 12 seconds without going into an intellectual spasm..

Ron Paul's foreign policy positions are the same as Obama's? Seriously? So you mean Ron Paul would have authorized the bombing of Libya to assist in their civil war? And you mean he would have sent troops into Africa? You have no clue what Ron Paul stands for.

And I can not read your post for more than 12 seconds without having an intellectual spasm either....  ::)

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Re: Leftists prefer Ron Paul over Obama
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2011, 11:13:46 PM »
And I can not read your post for more than 12 seconds without having an intellectual spasm either....  ::)
How did I know you'd be disappointed with me.. Shucks..
With friends like these, who needs hallucinations!..

 

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