Changes are coming.. And we can't do anything about it.

[Timothy]

I'm not a machinist and I don't play one on TV but I've worked with tradesman and experienced machinists for years.  One company I worked for recently was buying high end machining equipment and allowing unqualified people to try and figure out how to use them.  The machine work wasn't difficult by any stretch of the imagination but it still caused lots of problems.

We were making parts for gas turbines from Hast-X, Inconel, HS-188, L605, etc....the stuff is really hard on tooling and expensive as all get out.  It made for some really expensive mistakes.

[tombogan03884]

Same thing at my last employer, vertical mill with high precision ceramic sleeves instead of bearings, inexperienced operators screwed with the program, it zigged, when it should have zagged and the machine was down for 4 months while the head was sent back to Korea to replace the $50K ceramic sleeves that shattered.
So they put that operator on the brand new horizontal mill by the same company where he proceeded to crash about once a week for several months. 

[TAB]

for 9 years I was allowed to use a brush, and only a brush to paint EVERY THING  with it.     just like it was back when being a union painter actually ment something.   I have little doubt that is what tuaght me how to actually paint and attention to detail.

[Solus]

HMMM, BOSS LADY.  SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED TO RUN FOR PREZ!!!  SO SAD YET SO TRUE.  THE ARGUEMENT AGAINST ALL THOSE NEW-FANGLED GADGETS & TECHNOLOGY IS WHEN YOU LOSE THE POWER GRID, YOU LOSE YOUR GADGETS!!  
THAT'S WHY I REPLACED MY PELLET STOVE W/ A WOOD STOVE & I WILL KEEP ALL MY REAL BOOKS & MAGS.  EVEN THO' MY KIDS & GRANDKIDS GIVE ME A HARD TIME!  

Very True.   While I'm a big Kindle fan and user, I try to keep a hard copy of any reference or technical material.  

The gadgets might last for awhile with alternative power sources, but sooner or later they are gonna go....but then so is paper....and you aren't gonna pack a 300 book library anywhere.

some type of micro-fiche type of storage for documents and a natural light reader might be a solution.

[twyacht]

some type of micro-fiche type of storage for documents and a natural light reader might be a solution.

Wait just a darn minute....

I have my Great-Grandfathers School books, from the turn of the 19th and 20th century, I also have numerous books, including my Grandfather's Bluejackets Manual from WWII.

I have a lithograph silver plate album shot with gunpowder flash from 1871 of my family in Sapulpa, OK. These and numerous books on American Literature, Almanac's, Encyclopedia's, etc,... shall not fall from my family.

Even my Norman Rockwell. These pages will be cared for to the bitter end. If for some reason, they cannot be, the foundation of my families Bible will have to do.

The history, and legacy of this country will not be on microfiche CD-ROM,, or slides,...but in the hands of citizens, that kept hard-bound books.

They are like gold. Keep your books at all costs. It will matter going forward.

[Sponsor]

[Solus]

some type of micro-fiche type of storage for documents and a natural light reader might be a solution.

Wait just a darn minute....

I have my Great-Grandfathers School books, from the turn of the 19th and 20th century, I also have numerous books, including my Grandfather's Bluejackets Manual from WWII.

I have a lithograph silver plate album shot with gunpowder flash from 1871 of my family in Sapulpa, OK. These and numerous books on American Literature, Almanac's, Encyclopedia's, etc,... shall not fall from my family.

Even my Norman Rockwell. These pages will be cared for to the bitter end. If for some reason, they cannot be, the foundation of my families Bible will have to do.

The history, and legacy of this country will not be on microfiche CD-ROM,, or slides,...but in the hands of citizens, that kept hard-bound books.

They are like gold. Keep your books at all costs. It will matter going forward.

How far can  your family carry them on their back in the rain if need be?

Not saying they should be burned or buried, but a portable reference library might come in handy.

[twyacht]

Well,,...your right Solus...They cannot be carried in a bug out situation. That being said, the situations leading up to that point matter.

When the Waffen SS burned books in Jewish neighborhoods, they were already disarmed. Damn shame. But not this time.

There were no duplicates in Pompeii either, so you have a point.

If it comes to that, in this country, we will be re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic....

Have a plan.

Resist the best you can.

[tombogan03884]

The Dead Sea scrolls lasted 2000 years stored properly.

[Solus]

The Dead Sea scrolls lasted 2000 years stored properly.

While this is true, they wouldn't have been much use to folks if they contained needed "day to day" information.

Preserving books long term tends to limit their active use and while I am a fan of the Kindle and the convenience of having 3000 books of all sorts that can be carried in a cargo pocket, I realize the technology might not always be available for books with critically needed information.

The only compact, fairly durable and non-technology dependent media I am familiar with is micro-fiche.  It can be read with any light source and a magnifying glass. 

Yeah...it's a major SHTF and TEOTWAWKI but if building a library that will withstand that is relatively painless, why not?

[tombogan03884]

Not really arguing the point, just saying.