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tombogan03884

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Re: So Much For "Medical Marijuana"
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2011, 08:16:27 PM »
I'm currently reading "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross
(for more info   http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=18237.0  )
There is one part where a Professional hunter who left the US in 1963 returns from Africa in 1993.
The individually small changes we have experienced in our lives hit him all at once.
It's to long to go into here and could spoil it for some.
If you have not read the book you must.
If you get 1/2 way through it with out being ready to kill every bastard in Washington and all state Capitals you are not really worthy of America.

tombogan03884

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Re: So Much For "Medical Marijuana"
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2011, 04:16:17 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez

Background

Alfonso Lopez, Jr. was a 12th grade student at Edison High School in San Antonio, Texas. On March 10, 1992 he carried a concealed .38 caliber revolver, along with five cartridges,[1] into the school. He was confronted by school authorities[2] and admitted to having the weapon. The next day, he was charged with violation of the federal[3] Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 (the "Act"), 18 U.S.C. § 922(q)[4]

Lopez moved to dismiss the indictment on the ground that §922(q) of the Act was "unconstitutional as it is beyond the power of Congress to legislate control over our public schools." The trial court denied the motion, ruling that §922(q) was "a constitutional exercise of Congress' well defined power to regulate activities in and affecting commerce, and the 'business' of elementary, middle and high schools . . . affects interstate commerce."

Lopez was tried and convicted. He appealed to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, claiming that §922(q) exceeded Congress' power to legislate under the Commerce Clause. The Fifth Circuit agreed and reversed his conviction, holding that "section 922(q), in the full reach of its terms, is invalid as beyond the power of Congress[5] under the Commerce Clause."

The Government petitioned[6] for Supreme Court review and the Court accepted the case.

To sustain the Act, the Government was obligated[7] to show that §922(q) was a valid exercise of the Congressional Commerce Clause power, i.e. that the section regulated a matter which "affected" (or "substantially affected"[8]) interstate commerce.[9]

The Government's principal argument was that the possession of a firearm in an educational environment would most likely lead to a violent crime, which in turn would affect the general economic condition in two ways. First, because violent crime causes harm and creates expense, it raises insurance costs, which are spread throughout the economy; and second, by limiting the willingness to travel in the area perceived to be unsafe. The Government also argued that the presence of firearms within a school would be seen as dangerous, resulting in students' being scared and disturbed; this would, in turn, inhibit learning; and this, in turn, would lead to a weaker national economy since education is clearly a crucial element of the nation's financial health.

The Court, however, found these arguments to create a dangerous slippery slope: what would prevent the federal government from then regulating any activity that might lead to violent crime, regardless of its connection to interstate commerce, because it imposed social costs? What would prevent Congress from regulating any activity that might bear on a person's economic productivity?[10]
[edit] Supreme Court decision

In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court affirmed the decision of the Court of Appeals. It held that while Congress had broad lawmaking authority under the Commerce Clause, the power was limited, and did not extend so far from "commerce" as to authorize the regulation of the carrying of handguns, especially when there was no evidence that carrying them affected the economy on a massive scale.[11]

Chief Justice Rehnquist, delivering the opinion of the Court, identified the three broad categories of activity that Congress could regulate under the Commerce Clause:

    the channels of interstate commerce,
    the instrumentalities of interstate commerce, or persons or things in interstate commerce,[12] and
    activities that substantially affect or substantially relate to interstate commerce[13]

The Court summarily dismissed any consideration of the first two categories and concluded that the resolution of the case depended only on consideration of the third category—regulation of activities that substantially affect interstate commerce. The Court essentially concluded that in no way was the carrying of handguns a commercial activity or even related to any sort of economic enterprise, even under the most extravagant definitions.[14]

The opinion rejected the government's argument that because crime negatively impacted education Congress might have reasonably concluded that crime in schools substantially affects commerce.

The Court reasoned that if Congress could regulate something so far removed from commerce, then it could regulate anything, and since the Constitution clearly creates Congress as a body with enumerated powers, this could not be so. Rehnquist concluded:

    To uphold the Government's contentions here, we have to pile inference upon inference in a manner that would bid fair to convert congressional authority under the Commerce Clause to a general police power of the sort retained by the States. Admittedly, some of our prior cases have taken long steps down that road, giving great deference to congressional action. The broad language in these opinions has suggested the possibility of additional expansion, but we decline here to proceed any further. To do so would require us to conclude that the Constitution's enumeration of powers does not presuppose something not enumerated, and that there never will be a distinction between what is truly national and what is truly local. This we are unwilling to do.

The Court specifically looked to four factors in determining whether legislation represents a valid effort to use the Commerce Clause power to regulate activities that substantially affect interstate commerce:

    Whether the activity was non-economic as opposed to economic activity; previous cases involved economic activity.
    Jurisdictional element: whether the gun had moved in interstate commerce.
    Whether there had been Congressional findings of an economic link between guns and education.
    How attenuated the link was between the regulated activity and interstate commerce.

It is important to note that although the ruling stopped a decades-long trend of inclusiveness under the commerce clause, it did not reverse any past ruling about the meaning of the clause. Later, Rehnquist stated that the Court had the duty to prevent the legislative branch from usurping state powers over policing the conduct of their citizens. He admitted that the Supreme Court had upheld certain governmental steps towards taking power away from the states, and cited Lopez as a decision that finally stepped in to check the government's authority by defining clearly between state and federal powers.[15]

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Re: So Much For "Medical Marijuana"
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2011, 09:24:46 PM »
Well, on the bright side, it continues to serve its purpose of letting them lock up blacks and Mexicans.

keyboard warning would of been nice   

now I have to go and clean the screens and my desk for spitting out FUIC all over them

hahah classic
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Re: So Much For "Medical Marijuana"
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2011, 09:29:17 PM »
keyboard warning would of been nice  

now I have to go and clean the screens and my desk for spitting out FUIC all over them

hahah classic

That's no joke Phil.
Up until it was classed as a drug Farmers were paid a subsidy to grow hemp.
It was the middle of the Depression the only ones who smoked weed were blacks and Mexicans, so they criminalized that as well so they could lock up more of them and free up jobs for whites.
Like anti concealed carry laws it was nothing but another "Jim Crow Law".

 

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